Flooding in the Valley & AZ Tech and Innovation: ASU/Mars 2020 Mission & Trading with Mexico


17:19:46:12>>>Coming up next on “Arizona
17:30:11:09 Horizon,” rushing floodwaters 17:30:13:09 turn I-17 into a river.
17:30:15:06 How much rain is too much for 17:30:16:09 Valley flood control efforts?
17:30:18:27>>>Also tonight, we’ll hear 17:30:20:00 about ASU’s role in an upcoming
17:30:22:12 mission to Mars. 17:30:23:12 And we’ll look at effort to
17:30:24:24 increase trade between Arizona 17:30:26:15 and Mexico.
17:30:27:18 Next on “Arizona Horizon.” 17:30:28:18 “Arizona Horizon” is made
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17:30:37:03 Thank you. 17:30:39:09>>>Good evening, and welcome
to 17:30:39:09 “Arizona Horizon,” I’m Ted
17:30:40:18 Simons. 17:30:42:00 Yesterday’s monsoon storms made
17:30:44:18 for massive flooding around the 17:30:46:06 Valley with some areas mainly
to 17:30:47:15 the north getting as much as
17:30:49:06 five inches of rain. 17:30:51:03 It got so bad parts of I-17 near
17:30:54:21 Dixiletta Road turned into a 17:30:56:03 river of muddy water from a
17:30:58:15 nearby wash. 17:30:59:27 Joining us to talk about all
17:31:01:15 this is Randy Cerveny from the 17:31:03:03 National Weather Service.
17:31:08:24 This is amazing stuff. 17:31:11:12>>Good to see you.
17:31:13:06>>Where was the worst spot as 17:31:15:03 far as flooding was concerned?
17:31:17:03>>Most of the storm yesterday 17:31:18:03 was centered over the Northern
17:31:21:18 part but there were parts in the 17:31:24:18 southeast that hardly got a drop
17:31:26:03 associated with this big mass of
17:31:29:03 water that came up from Mexico. 17:31:30:18>>I-17 sounds like New River
17:31:32:27 became a big river, Levine 17:31:35:00 seemed to be hit again.
17:31:36:09 Are those always the places that 17:31:37:27 seem to be hit the worst when
it 17:31:40:15 comes to flooding?
17:31:41:21>>It depends on the movement of
17:31:42:27 the storms. 17:31:43:18 In this particular case the
17:31:44:24 storms were coming up from the 17:31:46:00 South, and what happens is the
17:31:49:06 topography plays a really, 17:31:51:18 really big role.
17:31:52:27 When the moisture hits a slope 17:31:54:18 that slopes up, it can drop out
17:31:57:03 that moisture. 17:31:57:21 In this particular case the
17:31:58:24 moisture hit that upslope area 17:32:01:12 and then sat there and kept
17:32:04:00 running into it and dumping more 17:32:05:27 and more water.
17:32:07:03 It’s very much topography based. 17:32:11:18 It’s where the Valley turns into
17:32:13:15 an upland slope that you’re 17:32:16:03 going to get the most flooding.
17:32:19:06>>The previously same thing at 17:32:22:15 South mountain, where it ran up
17:32:24:12 the mountain and just sat there. 17:32:26:00>>During the monsoon we don’t
17:32:27:00 have very strong winds aloft 17:32:29:00 that move these things really
17:32:31:03 fast. 17:32:31:12 In the Midwest, storms move
17:32:33:12 really fast because the jet 17:32:34:15 stream is pushing them along.
17:32:35:27 Here during our monsoons there’s 17:32:38:00 nothing to basically push the
17:32:40:06 thunderstorm once it gets 17:32:41:03 started.
17:32:41:24 When it finds a mountain, it 17:32:44:06 keeps pushing the moisture up
17:32:46:15 and up the mountain and sits 17:32:47:27 there.
17:32:48:12>>We had an incident from Skunk 17:32:50:09 Creek, water gets into the CAP
17:32:53:21 canal — how does that happen? 17:32:55:18>>The amount of water funneled
17:32:58:27 in from Sun Creek through this 17:33:01:27 particular storm was incredible.
17:33:03:12 We were getting four and a half 17:33:04:27 to five inches over a four-hour
17:33:07:21 period. 17:33:08:03 That is a return time that we
17:33:09:15 would expect to see only once 17:33:11:18 every 500 to 1,000 years.
17:33:14:00 So this is a pretty rare event 17:33:16:09 that we were looking at.
17:33:17:15>>We heard once in a thousand 17:33:20:00 year event when it was parked
17:33:22:18 over South Mountain last week. 17:33:25:03 What’s going on over there?
17:33:27:06>>Kind of like two winners of 17:33:28:27 the lottery from the Valley.
17:33:30:09 It can happen, it’s rare, but in
17:33:32:06 this particular case we had two 17:33:34:15 thousand-year events.
17:33:35:18 They were located in different 17:33:36:27 areas, both associated with
17:33:38:21 localized storms. 17:33:40:00>>Did areas not used to
17:33:41:21 flooding get hit more this time 17:33:43:24 around?
17:33:44:06 Or again, are these the usual 17:33:45:27 suspects?
17:33:46:24>>These are pretty much the 17:33:47:12 usual suspects.
17:33:49:00 We’ve had flooding around New 17:33:50:21 River to Black Canyon City in
17:33:52:27 the past. 17:33:53:12 Where exactly it happens is a
17:33:55:27 function of the localized 17:33:57:15 thunderstorm itself.
17:33:58:03 Where this terrain turns into 17:33:59:27 more of an upslope position,
17:34:02:24 it’s going to be the areas where 17:34:04:09 we have the greatest chance for
17:34:05:15 the water to be funneled down 17:34:06:27 into the rivers.
17:34:07:21>>With that in mind, are the 17:34:10:09 flood control efforts out there,
17:34:11:27 are they simply not used to this 17:34:14:06 kind of rain?
17:34:15:03 Are they not — are our efforts 17:34:17:12 not prepared for this kind of
17:34:18:12 thing? 17:34:19:12>>I think we actually handled
17:34:21:06 it pretty well. 17:34:22:03 There was no loss of life, there
17:34:23:15 were some pretty incredible 17:34:25:15 rescues, but not any loss of
17:34:27:09 life. 17:34:27:18 The key is how many people are
17:34:30:00 affected as to what we want to 17:34:31:21 do.
17:34:32:00 Back many decades ago there was 17:34:34:15 a similar type of situation over
17:34:37:00 Indian Bend in Scottsdale. 17:34:39:00>>What they decided to do was
17:34:40:15 simply change the withhold MMM 17:34:44:24 wash area into a greenbelt so
it 17:34:48:24 would not influence people.
17:34:51:03 It would be trapped in golf 17:34:53:03 courses that exist in that area.
17:34:54:24 We could do something like that 17:34:55:27 but it would cost money, and the
17:35:00:00 amount of people affected would 17:35:02:24 be less than Scottsdale.
17:35:04:09>>The Indian Bend wash was hit 17:35:06:15 again, although people had to
be 17:35:08:00 rescued from El Dorado park on
17:35:10:06 McDowell and Miller because 17:35:12:03 again, it got too high.
17:35:14:03>>And part of it, too, is just 17:35:16:00 a lack of knowledge.
17:35:16:24 A lot of people that have come 17:35:18:18 to the valley and just — in
17:35:21:00 just say the last five to 10 17:35:22:27 years don’t realize how quickly
17:35:24:21 the situation can change. 17:35:26:00 That where places like maybe
17:35:27:21 Tempe or Scottsdale only get a 17:35:29:06 little bit of water, when that
17:35:30:21 water gets funneled down into a
17:35:32:12 stream system, it can rapidly 17:35:34:12 turn a dry river bed into a
17:35:36:21 raging torrent. 17:35:37:24>>With that in mind, can’t we
17:35:40:15 get — something like yesterday, 17:35:43:00 will that change the topography?
17:35:45:06 Will that change the geography? 17:35:47:21 Will it change the way the
17:35:49:00 washes run in areas that were 17:35:51:12 flooded?
17:35:51:27 Are they carving out a new 17:35:53:24 normal?
17:35:54:12>>They are definitely geologic 17:35:56:18 scale events, so there have been
17:35:58:21 changes in the actual landscape 17:36:00:00 of the area, say around South
17:36:01:18 mountain or around New River. 17:36:03:06 Now, what happens, though, is
17:36:04:21 the city will go in and actually 17:36:06:27 rechannel things so that it
17:36:08:27 doesn’t start to form a new 17:36:11:18 normal.
17:36:12:03 They will try to get it back to 17:36:13:21 a more normalized flow.
17:36:15:21>>The idea of flood control 17:36:18:12 efforts after something like
17:36:19:03 this, how far do you go? 17:36:21:15 How far do you change things?
17:36:23:09 Hay, it’s once ever thousand 17:36:25:06 years, good luck to our next
17:36:26:24 generation? 17:36:28:00>>I think it’s a cost-benefit
17:36:31:06 situation. 17:36:31:12 You have to look at how many are
17:36:32:21 impacted and what the cost of 17:36:33:27 doing those changes would
17:36:35:21 actually be. 17:36:36:15 Also I think we need to make
17:36:37:27 sure people are aware of the 17:36:40:00 logistics.
17:36:41:09 You don’t put a home down in a 17:36:44:06 dry lake bed or dry river bed
17:36:46:18 here in Arizona. 17:36:47:24 It’s just a silly thing to do.
17:36:50:00>>But they are doing it, aren’t 17:36:51:15 they?
17:36:52:03>>It’s really nice to have 17:36:53:15 those trees you find along these
17:36:56:03 normally dry riverbeds, to build 17:36:59:03 a house around.
17:37:00:09 But those dry riverbeds can be 17:37:03:12 —
17:37:03:24>>It’s not so nice to watch 17:37:05:27 your home float away while
17:37:09:00 you’re on the bank waving 17:37:10:21 good-bye.
17:37:11:00 Are there ordinances or should 17:37:12:12 there be more in the way of
17:37:13:18 making sure folks aren’t 17:37:17:03 building in floodplains?
17:37:19:06>>And that’s a problem. 17:37:20:06 There are a lot of places where
17:37:21:21 developments have gone in and 17:37:22:27 not really taken into account
17:37:24:12 the local topography and the 17:37:26:24 local drainage patterns.
17:37:28:27 If you go up around Deer Valley 17:37:30:24 there are dams built where you
17:37:33:03 have housing on both sides of 17:37:35:09 the dam.
17:37:36:03 Obviously that doesn’t work very 17:37:37:18 well.
17:37:38:00 I think what we have to do is 17:37:40:03 make sure when these housing
17:37:41:27 tracts are going in, that the 17:37:43:15 planners take into account not
17:37:45:06 only how many people they can 17:37:46:24 jam into a given area, but also
17:37:48:21 the underlying topography, the 17:37:51:24 underlying landscape that
17:37:53:12 exists, and try to work with it 17:37:55:03 as much as possible.
17:37:56:27>>New River, Black Canyon City, 17:37:58:27 those areas especially in the
17:38:01:03 North. 17:38:01:24 We saw I-17 and Dixiletta Road
17:38:05:03 and the water coming out, when 17:38:07:03 they — will you get slow-moving
17:38:10:18 wet monsoons, are they just 17:38:12:18 always — are we going see this
17:38:14:15 kind of thing, maybe not 17:38:16:00 alongside the freeway, I still
17:38:17:24 don’t know how it got alongside 17:38:20:09 of the freeway, somebody has to
17:38:22:00 do something about that. 17:38:23:18 Basically that’s the way it is?
17:38:25:06>>There are some places in the 17:38:26:09 Valley that do tend to get more
17:38:27:27 concentrated storms for some 17:38:29:27 reason or another.
17:38:31:00 Union hills commonly floods when 17:38:33:06 we get a monsoon thunderstorm.
17:38:35:03 The question is how much gets 17:38:36:27 into these areas and how fast
17:38:39:00 are the pumps that can pump it 17:38:40:27 out.
17:38:41:06 When the freeways for example, 17:38:42:27 when they flood, they simply
17:38:44:12 can’t handle the amount of water 17:38:45:27 going into the system.
17:38:47:00>>Last question: I’ve asked 17:38:49:12 this numerous times to you and
17:38:51:27 others. 17:38:53:00 I’ve been here a long time.
17:38:54:24 Seems like in the past the west 17:38:57:00 side never got the storms.
17:38:58:15 It was always dry and the storms 17:39:00:09 came around somewhere in the
17:39:01:21 east side. 17:39:02:15 Doesn’t it seem to you in the
17:39:04:06 last 10 years or so the west 17:39:06:12 side is getting hammered by
17:39:07:27 storms more so than in the past? 17:39:11:06>>I think there are some cycles
17:39:13:15 to this. 17:39:14:03 Yes, it seemed like the east
17:39:16:00 side was the place getting the 17:39:17:27 buildup, you would watch it
17:39:19:09 coming off the superstition 17:39:21:18 mountains and coming into Mesa
17:39:22:24 or Tempe. 17:39:23:12 I think what happens, because
17:39:24:21 the monsoon is such an 17:39:26:15 individual beast, each year’s
is 17:39:29:09 different from the last.
17:39:30:24 Sometimes it’ll come in from the 17:39:31:24 west and the east but we haven’t
17:39:34:06 figured out why so we don’t 17:39:35:24 know.
17:39:36:15>>We really don’t know. 17:39:38:00 It’s been a pretty good summer
17:39:39:15 though, hasn’t it? 17:39:41:27>>The actual temperatures have
17:39:44:00 been great. 17:39:44:27 We all know, parts of the Valley
17:39:47:00 got their share of monsoon 17:39:48:21 water.
17:39:49:21>>Good to see you again. 17:39:51:15>>My pleasure.
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17:40:54:09>>>Tonight’s edition of 17:41:02:12 “Arizona Technology and
17:41:02:12 Innovation” looks at ASU’s role 17:41:05:15 of designing operating on-board
17:41:07:00 cameras for the next rover 17:41:10:18 mission to Mars.
17:41:11:21 Jim Bell is in charge of ASU’s 17:41:13:21 part in the mission.
17:41:15:03 Good to have you here. 17:41:16:21>>Good to be here, Ted.
17:41:18:12>>ASU is designing operating 17:41:20:12 cameras for NASA?
17:41:22:00 Talk to us about this. 17:41:23:03>>We’ve got cameras and other
17:41:25:09 instruments all over the solar 17:41:27:00 system.
17:41:27:12 There’s something like 30 17:41:29:03 spacecraft exploring the solar
17:41:32:15 system. 17:41:32:27 There are cameras on Mars, on
17:41:35:15 the surface of Mars, around 17:41:37:09 Saturn that people are involved
17:41:38:27 with, cameras on the way to an 17:41:40:27 asteroid, Mercury, the moon,
17:41:43:03 just a fabulous time for space 17:41:45:15 exploration.
17:41:45:27>>And again, for this 17:41:47:06 particular mission now we’ve got
17:41:49:06 color, panoramic, zoom cameras 17:41:52:03 and they are stereoscopic.
17:41:55:00 What does all that mean? 17:41:56:24>>It means we’ll take some
17:41:58:09 great pictures of the red 17:41:59:18 planet.
17:41:59:24 The next rover that goes will 17:42:01:18 launch in 2020.
17:42:03:12 It’ll be very much like — you 17:42:05:06 may be familiar with the
17:42:06:15 “Curiosity” Rover, the big Mini 17:42:09:06 Cooper sized spacecraft that
17:42:11:27 landed a few years ago. 17:42:13:27 NASA is using a lot of spare
17:42:16:15 parts from that to help save 17:42:18:06 money, keep the costs down.
17:42:19:27 But this will have a bit of a 17:42:21:12 different mission.
17:42:22:00 Unlike “Curiosity,” this new 17:42:23:27 rover, which doesn’t have a name
17:42:25:24 yet, they will name it someday, 17:42:27:24 will be designed to collect and
17:42:30:06 cache samples. 17:42:32:06 There will be a little container
17:42:33:12 on board and it’ll put drill 17:42:35:18 cores in there, we’ll scoop some
17:42:38:18 dirt, maybe some atmospheric 17:42:42:21 samples.
17:42:43:18 And a future mission in the 17:42:49:09 20s will go and get that cache
17:42:52:06 and bring it back. 17:42:53:12>>Interesting.
17:42:54:21>>Our cameras will be taking 17:42:56:09 pictures of the rocks and sand
17:42:58:06 and dust and dirt and formations 17:42:59:27 and layers, trying to help best
17:43:02:15 choose those samples to 17:43:04:00 eventually bring back to the
17:43:05:12 earth. 17:43:05:27>>And these two cameras ASU is
17:43:07:27 helping to develop and these 17:43:09:06 sorts of things, if I’m not
17:43:11:06 mistaken, are they like the eyes 17:43:13:21 of the Rover?
17:43:15:09 That is a good analogy? 17:43:18:00>>That’s a very good analogy,
17:43:21:00 Ted. 17:43:21:12 We think of the rovers as alive
17:43:23:27 in a sense, we think of them as 17:43:26:03 robotic field geologists.
17:43:28:24 They have eyes, they can spin 17:43:30:21 around and look up and down.
17:43:32:00 Their wheels like the legs, you 17:43:33:24 can move them around and give
us 17:43:35:21 mobility.
17:43:36:03 There’s an arm and on the end 17:43:37:21 are fingers, a camera, there’s
a 17:43:39:21 drill, there’s other chemical
17:43:41:18 instruments kind of like the 17:43:43:00 nose that let you sniff the
17:43:44:21 terrain and get the chemistry 17:43:46:15 and the minerology.
17:43:48:09 Yeah, we do anthropomorphize 17:43:53:18 them, make them human.
17:43:55:18 But they are just robots and 17:43:57:12 only as smart as the people that
17:43:59:00 program them. 17:44:00:00>>But they are very smart, you
17:44:01:15 guys are pretty smart. 17:44:03:21>>Red green blue color imaging?
17:44:06:12>>And we’ll get picture like we
17:44:08:12 would see with our own eyes, we 17:44:11:12 see in the red green blue.
17:44:13:27 Because they are using digital 17:44:16:27 detectors we can also see in the
17:44:19:03 ultraviolet a little more forth 17:44:22:09 into the blue, and a little
17:44:25:00 farther into the infrared, 17:44:27:12 farther into the red.
17:44:28:06 There is a range we can see. 17:44:30:21 Rocks and minerals reflect light
17:44:33:21 in different ways so we can do a
17:44:35:12 little bit of sort of 17:44:36:12 chemical-mineral analysis with
17:44:38:09 the cameras, too. 17:44:39:24>>As far as the zoom is
17:44:41:00 concerned, how tight can you 17:44:43:06 get, how wide can you get?
17:44:45:15>>We can get very tight, down 17:44:47:09 to seeing features that are only
17:44:49:12 sort of a millimeter or so in 17:44:51:15 size from our position up on the
17:44:54:00 mast a couple of meters away 17:44:57:00 from the ground.
17:44:57:27 We enter face with a microscope 17:45:00:12 on the arm, as well.
17:45:01:24 We can go from the macroscopic 17:45:05:09 panoramic view all the way down
17:45:07:09 to the millimeter scale, it goes 17:45:09:15 down to tens of microns scale.
17:45:13:18 We can see Texas chairs features 17:45:17:09 with these cameras.
17:45:18:15>>That’s a nice range for 17:45:20:24 anyone’s camera.
17:45:22:00>>It is. 17:45:22:27>>As far as ASU’s part in this,
17:45:25:03 you are leading this. 17:45:26:12 Are you going to go to NASA or
17:45:28:15 lead from Tempe? 17:45:30:00>>We’re working with a small
17:45:31:15 company in San Diego called 17:45:32:24 maylin systems.
17:45:35:21 We’re working with them, we’ll 17:45:37:12 do a bunch of the fabrication
17:45:38:27 there, and some of the testing 17:45:40:12 on the Tempe campus.
17:45:42:12 Well, once the cameras are 17:45:45:00 built, we deliver them to the
17:45:46:24 jet propulsion lab in Pasadena 17:45:50:09 where they are building the
17:45:51:09 whole rover. 17:45:52:18 They are bolted on the top of
17:45:54:15 the rover. 17:45:55:12 It’s on the Tempe campus, it’s
17:45:57:15 the same as “Curiosity,” it 17:45:59:15 looks the same.
17:46:00:15 We deliver this tomorrow JPL in 17:46:03:15 Pasadena.
17:46:04:15 They do the final testing and 17:46:05:27 make sure we didn’t leave the
17:46:07:24 lens caps on or anything like 17:46:09:15 that.
17:46:09:24 It gets buttoned up inside a 17:46:14:06 cruise and launch configuration
17:46:16:12 that gets shipped to Florida, 17:46:18:24 and put on top of the rocket.
17:46:20:06 Early to mid 2020 that rocket 17:46:22:21 will launch to Mars.
17:46:24:06 It’ll take nine months to a year 17:46:27:06 depending on exactly when they
17:46:29:06 launch. 17:46:29:27 It’ll all still be kind of
17:46:32:06 cocooned up. 17:46:33:21 In a very rapid amount of time,
17:46:36:06 just a few hours’ time, 17:46:38:00 everything opens up as it enters
17:46:40:00 the March shan atmosphere. 17:46:42:06 There’s a heat shield, a
17:46:44:00 parachute floats down. 17:46:46:21 You may have seen “Curiosity”
17:46:48:18 landing with the jet packs and 17:46:51:21 lowering the Rover down this
17:46:54:09 crane. 17:46:54:24 We’ll do the same thing for this
17:46:56:21 vehicle. 17:46:57:06 Get down to the surface, the
17:46:59:03 mast will pop up and then we’ll 17:47:00:27 open our eyes and hopefully we
17:47:03:18 will have done our job right. 17:47:06:00>>That’ll be a time when you
17:47:07:06 will be very nervous. 17:47:08:21>>I’m already nervous.
17:47:10:09>>As far as ASU being chosen, 17:47:13:09 how was ASU chosen?
17:47:15:21 Why was ASU chosen? 17:47:17:21>>There was an international
17:47:19:00 competition NASA had. 17:47:20:09 The administration and Congress
17:47:22:00 decided, we’re going to send 17:47:23:15 another rover to Mars in 2020.
17:47:26:00 NASA sends out an announcement 17:47:27:21 to the world saying, we want to
17:47:29:09 know what the best instruments 17:47:30:15 are for that Rover.
17:47:32:06 You know, we need images, we 17:47:35:00 need chemical analysis
17:47:36:27 instruments, instruments to 17:47:38:03 drill, et cetera.
17:47:39:00 So we wrote a proposal, a group 17:47:40:27 of us at ASU and colleagues from
17:47:43:09 around the country and around 17:47:44:09 the world actually, some
17:47:46:03 European colleagues, as well. 17:47:47:24 Formed a family, wrote a
17:47:49:24 proposal to respond to that, to 17:47:51:03 try to fit within the resources,
17:47:53:03 the mass, the volume, the power, 17:47:55:15 the cost.
17:47:56:09 It’s a box you’ve got squeeze 17:47:58:06 into all of these programs.
17:48:00:03 We submitted our proposal last 17:48:02:12 January.
17:48:03:00 And it turned out 57 other teams 17:48:06:00 submitted their proposals, too.
17:48:08:09 There was a lot. 17:48:12:03 Work been doing out there
17:48:13:15 preparing for the opportunities 17:48:14:09 like this.
17:48:15:06 So very competitive. 17:48:16:15 I don’t know how many cameras
we 17:48:18:18 competed against.
17:48:19:12 I don’t know the details of all 17:48:20:03 the proposals, it’s a very, you
17:48:22:00 know, carefully closed process 17:48:24:18 with reviews and all that kind
17:48:26:24 of stuff. 17:48:27:24 In the end they picked seven
17:48:29:27 instruments and we’re one of 17:48:30:27 them.
17:48:31:18>>Congratulations and good 17:48:32:21 luck.
17:48:33:00 You know what’s ahead of you for 17:48:34:18 the next few years what you’re
17:48:36:15 going to be busy with. 17:48:38:03>>I’m going to be busy building
17:48:40:00 cameras to go to Mars. 17:48:41:24>>Excellent, excellent, good
to 17:48:44:00 have you here.
17:48:44:21>>We want to hear from you. 17:48:46:15 Submit your questions, comments
17:48:47:24 and concerns via email at 17:48:52:18 Arizona hors at azpbs.org.
17:48:56:00>>>Mexico has the 14th 17:48:57:21 largest economy in the world and
17:49:00:15 is expected to continue to grow 17:49:01:21 over the coming decades.
17:49:02:21 Tucson is working to strengthen 17:49:05:09 business relationships with
17:49:07:18 Sonora. 17:49:08:21 Fernanda Echavarri has the
17:49:09:12 story. 17:49:12:06>>>Government and business
17:49:13:09 leaders in Mexico and the U.S. 17:49:15:21 say both countries benefit from
17:49:17:18 thinking about Arizona and 17:49:20:06 Sonora as one economic region.
17:49:23:06 One of those government 17:49:24:24 officials is Ramone Guzman
17:49:27:27 Munoz, the mayor of Sonora. 17:49:31:03 [in Spanish]
17:49:53:21>>Last your 9.5 million people 17:49:57:06 crossed into the United States
17:49:58:12 at ports of entry in Arizona. 17:50:03:15 Guzman Munoz says Americans and
17:50:08:00 Mexicans must learn to do 17:50:10:18 business with each other.
17:50:13:00 They talked about immigration, 17:50:14:12 highways, transportation, and
17:50:16:12 how both states can learn to 17:50:18:09 conduct cross-border business
17:50:20:24 more successfully. 17:50:23:24 Juan Padres focuses on helping
17:50:27:18 both countries understand each 17:50:28:24 other.
17:50:29:12>>I grew up on the border so I
17:50:31:06 understand both cultures very, 17:50:32:09 very well.
17:50:33:00 I know how to do business in 17:50:34:18 Mexico and I know how to do
17:50:36:12 business in the U.S. 17:50:37:09 Part of my job is to bridge that
17:50:38:21 gap. 17:50:39:03>>He does that across many
17:50:40:18 industries in Sonora. 17:50:42:12>>There’s a hodgepodge of what
17:50:44:09 we’re seeing, everything from a
17:50:47:00 very, very small business owner 17:50:48:18 who has very limited production
17:50:50:03 that wants to enter the U.S. 17:50:51:27 market with huge manufacturing.
17:50:56:03 We go to both sides of the scale 17:50:58:18 and everything in between.
17:51:00:03>>The number of crossings is up
17:51:03:15 to about 312,000 a year. 17:51:05:24 That means wear and tear on the
17:51:07:12 roads in both countries. 17:51:08:21 Man-hours to regulate the flow
17:51:11:09 and workers to load and unload 17:51:13:03 the cargo.
17:51:14:06 Sonora’s economy has grown by 17:51:16:18 about 6%, the largest growth in
17:51:19:18 the aerospace, mining and 17:51:22:00 automotive industries.
17:51:22:27 Many in southern Arizona’s 17:51:24:21 business community wants Tucson
17:51:26:03 to be the logistics Hub for 17:51:28:21 cross-border commerce and trade.
17:51:31:00>>Certainly we’re in the 17:51:31:27 growing stages right now,
17:51:33:06 there’s a lot of infrastructure 17:51:34:12 that needs to be put in place.
17:51:36:15 We are catching up. 17:51:37:15 This is something probably
17:51:38:27 Tucson should have done 25, 30 17:51:41:06 years ago just because of our
17:51:43:15 strategic location. 17:51:44:21 Once we start to put all of
17:51:45:18 those assets in place and start 17:51:47:27 to build all that
17:51:48:24 infrastructure, and we start 17:51:50:09 announcing to the world really,
17:51:51:27 everybody outside of Tucson, 17:51:53:00 that we’re open for business,
17:51:55:09 Tucson can take advantage of it 17:51:57:06 tremendously.
17:51:57:24>>He says Tucson’s future is in
17:51:59:27 trade and logistics. 17:52:02:06>>People last or some people
17:52:04:21 might disagree when I say this 17:52:06:24 could be another little Long
17:52:07:27 Beach. 17:52:08:21 When you start to put all these
17:52:10:09 assets together of a seaport 17:52:12:09 just four hours away, an
17:52:14:06 east-west link on the rail, very 17:52:17:03 good lines of communication on
17:52:18:21 I-8, I-10, it’s 15, and three 17:52:23:15 major airports that could
17:52:25:12 potentially interlink with all 17:52:27:12 of these other assets.
17:52:29:12>>Logistics are a part of doing 17:52:32:09 business with other countries
as 17:52:33:24 are cultural matters.
17:52:36:00>>There are other unspoken 17:52:37:27 rules that vary between two
17:52:39:12 cultures. 17:52:40:03>>The biggest challenge so far
17:52:41:24 is the cultural differences. 17:52:43:18 You have a lot of Mexican
17:52:45:21 business owners who don’t speak 17:52:48:09 English and don’t really
17:52:49:06 understand our laws and it’s 17:52:51:06 intimidating to go from one
17:52:53:00 country to another, speak a 17:52:54:12 different language, different
17:52:55:15 way of doing business, different 17:52:57:06 laws, different accounting
17:52:59:00 rules. 17:52:59:15 It’s intimidating.
17:53:01:06>>Business owners in the U.S. 17:53:03:06 experience similar intimidation.
17:53:06:06>>You know, there’s a lot of 17:53:07:15 companies with a lot of interest
17:53:09:06 in going to Mexico. 17:53:10:21 They understand there’s a huge
17:53:12:06 opportunity and opportunity to 17:53:13:24 do business west of the Cascades
17:53:14:15 we invite them, let’s go do down 17:53:18:06 to check out a few clients,
17:53:19:24 possible familiarities — Well, 17:53:22:09 again, it’s a different
17:53:24:12 language, different culture, 17:53:26:03 certain perceptions on both
17:53:27:18 sides of the border whether it’s 17:53:29:21 crime in Mexico or SB 1070 in
17:53:32:06 Arizona. 17:53:33:03>>Tucson Mayor Johnathan
17:53:35:18 Rothschild says Arizona has felt 17:53:37:27 the effects of such legislation.
17:53:39:15 He has traveled to Mexico 17:53:41:06 helicopter seems since he took
17:53:43:21 office and says the state’s 17:53:45:15 economy could benefit from an
17:53:47:00 increase in trade between the 17:53:48:15 two countries.
17:53:49:12 He says a good start is bringing 17:53:51:06 back international flights to
17:53:52:18 the Tucson International 17:53:54:00 Airport.
17:53:54:21>>We hope and believe that by 17:53:57:00 late fall we will have a direct
17:54:00:03 flight, nonstop flight from 17:54:03:15 Tuscon to armacio.
17:54:07:12 That’s critical, once you go 17:54:09:06 there, it’s a hub for the rest
17:54:12:24 of Mexico. 17:54:13:15 You can go to anywhere from
17:54:15:27 Mexico from there. 17:54:16:27 That is important to us.
17:54:18:12>>In 2013, trade between 17:54:20:03 Arizona and Mexico totaled $14
17:54:23:18 billion split evenly between 17:54:27:18 imports and exports.
17:54:30:00 Arizona could improve it’s trade 17:54:32:09 rankings with Mexico.
17:54:33:24>>When you break it down by 17:54:35:00 state, California is number one,
17:54:37:06 Texas is number two, and that 17:54:39:24 makes some sense because
17:54:41:27 California, you’re trading into 17:54:44:00 the Pacific Rim and Texas,
17:54:46:03 you’re trading into the Midwest 17:54:47:27 and the eastern part of the
17:54:49:12 United States. 17:54:49:27 Right now Illinois and Michigan
17:54:52:21 are ahead of us, and that’s just 17:54:56:00 something that we can improve
on 17:54:58:03 and correct, and use as basis
17:55:00:09 for building our own local 17:55:02:09 economy.
17:55:04:00>>Thursday on “Arizona Horizon” 17:55:06:06 we will meet a local
17:55:07:18 photographer who will explain 17:55:08:18 how he creates unique
17:55:10:06 stereographic images of the 17:55:12:06 state.
17:55:12:21 That’s Thursday evening at 5:30 17:55:14:21 and 10:00 right here on “Arizona
17:55:16:18 Horizon.” 17:55:17:06 That is it for now.
17:55:20:00 I’m Ted Simons, thank you so 17:55:21:06 much for joining us.
17:55:22:21 You have a great evening. 17:55:23:24 Captioning Performed By
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