INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAIʻI: Ala Wai Flood Control Project


WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE ALA WAI
CANAL ALONG OʻAHU’S SOUTH SHORE
THE GOVERNMENT HAS A PLAN TO PREVENT CATASTROPHIC
FLOODING OF WAIKĪKĪ AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES
DURING A MAJOR STORM. BUT THE PLAN HAS FACED
CRITICISM ON MANY FRONTS. INCLUDING FROM RESIDENTS WHO
WOULD LOSE LAND FOR FLOOD MITIGATION EFFORTS. AND OTHERS WHO CLAIM THERE WAS
NOT ENOUGH PUBLIC INPUT. WHAT DO YOU THINK? TONIGHT’S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVESTREAM OF INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAIʻI START NOW. [INTRO MUSIC] ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS
ON PBS HAWAIʻI…I’M DARYL HUFF. THE ALA WAI CANAL IS PART OF
A LARGER WATERSHED SYSTEM THAT STARTS AT KOOLAU
MOUNTAIN PEAKS AND ENDS IN WAIKĪKĪ. RUNOFF FROM MULTIPLE STREAMS
IN THREE VALLEYS FEED THE CANAL. THE ARMY CORPS OF
ENGINEERS HAS DESIGNATED THE WATERWAY HIGH RISK FOR FLASH
FLOODING. DAMAGE ESTIMATES
FROM A SINGLE CATASTROPHIC FLOOD IN WAIKĪKĪ TOP ONE
BILLION DOLLARS. THE CORPS DEVELOPED A
MITIGATION PLAN THAT INCLUDES WALLS AROUND THE CANAL,
DETENTION BASINS AND PUMP STATIONS UPSTREAM. THE PLAN HAS BEEN CRITICIZED
AND MANY SAY THE ARMY CORPS DID NOT MAKE ENOUGH OF AN
EFFORT TO GET PUBLIC INPUT. TONIGHT WE WILL HEAR FROM
DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS COMPLEX ISSUE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR
PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT’S SHOW. YOU CAN EMAIL, CALL OR
TWEET YOUR QUESTIONS. AND
YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG
AND THE PBS HAWAIʻI FACEBOOK PAGE. NOW, TO OUR GUESTS. JEFF HERZOG IS THE PROJECT
MANAGER FOR THE ARMY CORPS’ ALA WAI CANAL FLOOD RISK
MANAGEMENT PROJECT. HE SERVED
17 YEARS IN THE U.S. MILITARY AND IS A RECIPIENT OF THE
ARMY’S ORDER OF ST. MICHAEL
BRONZE AWARD. DR. KENNETH KANESHIRO IS THE
CO-FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF THE HAWAIʻI EXEMPLARY STATE
FOUNDATION. THE ORGANIZATION
LEADS A COALITION OF GROUPS SEEKING HABITAT RESTORATION
IN THE ALA WAI WATERSHED. HE
HAS A PH.D. IN ENTOMOLOGY FROM UH. ROBERT KRONING IS THE
DIRECTOR OF THE CITY DEPARTMENT OF DESIGN &
CONSTRUCTION FOR THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU. HE IS A
FREQUENT GUEST ON OUR SHOW. AND DAVE WATASE IS A PROPERTY
OWNER IN PALOLO VALLEY WHO COULD LOSE PROPERTY UNDER THE
CURRENT PLAN. HE HAS WORKED IN
A FAMILY BUSINESS IN THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT FIELD. LET ME START OFF WITH YOU. DESCRIBE WHAT THE WATERSHED
LOOKS LIKE. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WHERE DOES IT GO FROM WHERE TO
WHERE DOES THE WATER FLOW?>>VERY GOOD. THANK YOU FIRST OF ALL FOR
HAVING US THIS EVENING. IT’S A PLEASURE. SO WHAT YOU UNIQUE ABOUT THERE
WATERSHED, WHAT DIFFERS IF MANY OF THE WATERSHEDS ON THE
MAINLAND, LIKE THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY OR THOSE
LONGER WATERSHEDS, VERY SHORT WATERSHED. VERY STEEP WATERSHED FROM THE
TOP OF THE KO’OLAU MOUNTAINS LIKE YOU MENTIONED, DOWN TO
THE OCEAN. APPROXIMATELY 4-MILES. WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT IS
OVER 100 INCHES OF RAIN AT THE TOP OF THE KO’OLAU MOUNTAINS
AND YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT 20 TO 50 INCHES OF RAIN IN WAIKĪKĪ. SO YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT VERY
FLASHY NATURE FLOOD EVENTS. THIS CAN BE SEEN THROUGHOUT
RECENT HISTORY. APRIL 2018, AINA HAINA AND
WITH HAWAIʻI KAI HAHAIONE VALLEY 10 INCHES OF RAIN IN
FIVE HOURS.>>Daryl: ANIMATION PUT
TOGETHER BY THE PBS STAFF HERE SHOWING THE WAY WATER NOW
FLOWS DOWN. DAVE HERE GOING BY YOUR
PROPERTY. GOING DOWN INTO MANOA. JUST FASCINATING TO WATCH HOW
THIS TWIST AND TURNS, GOES AROUND,ER MAKES HARD RIGHT,
HARD LEFT. MATCHES UP HERE WITH MANOA
STREAM. COMES DOWN. THERE’S THIS REALLY BIG
DRAINAGE BASIN THAT YOU GO OVER WHEN YOU TAKE THE HIGHWAY
OFFRAMP AT KAPIOLANI BOULEVARD. DOWN BY THE ALA WAI GOLF
COURSE HITS ALA WAI CANAL. MAKES IT LOOK LIKE ALL OF
THOSE THINGS ARE EMPTY. ACTUALLY, ROBERT J. KRONINGS
YOU WERE DESCRIBING ALA WAI CANAL IS SEA LEVEL. CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT’S
HAPPENING WHEN THE WATER COMES DOWN AND GOES INTO THE
CANAL?>>RIGHT. GREAT TO BE HERE. THANKS FOR INVITING ME. ENTIRE CANAL IS TIDALLY
INFLUENCED. WHATEVER THE LEVEL OF THE SEE
IS IS THE SAME LEVEL AS THE CANAL. WHATEVER THE LEVEL OF THE SEA
IS. INCLUDES CHANNELS EMPTY INTO
THE CANAL. THAT IT TIDAL LEVEL WILL GO UP
INTO THOSE STREAMS SOMEWHAT. IF THIS AREA AT THE MANOA
PALOLO DRAINAGE CHANNEL SOMETIMES GETS UP CLOSE TO THE
H-1 CROSSING.>>Daryl: LOOKING AT NATURAL
WATERSHED, BUT TO ME, STRIKES ME AS BEING VERY UNNATURAL
SITUATION NOW. WITH ALL OF THESE HOUSES AND
HOMES AND ROADS. AND MANMADE STREAMS OR
MANMADE CANALS INSTEAD OF STREAMS. WHAT HAVE WE GOT GOING ON HERE
IN TERMS WAS PLUMBING OF THIS PLACE?>>THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT,
REALLY FIVE DIFFERENT PARTS. UPPER WATERSHED. ABOVE THE UPPER MANOA VAIL. AND PALOLO AND SO ON. THEN YOU HAVE VERY DENSE URBAN
CORE. THEN YOU HAVE THE CANAL
ITSELF. YOU HAVE THE BOAT HARBOR,
WHICH IS ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO SOME OF THE POLLUTANT WES SEE
IN THE WATER. WE REALLY LOOK AT THIS TOTAL
WATERSHED FROM THE TOP OF THE KO’OLAU INTO THE OCEAN. FIVE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. AND SO YOU’RE CORRECT. IT’S NOT NATURAL ANY MORE
BECAUSE YOU’VE GOT VERY DENSE RESIDENCIES, TALL HOTELS DOWN
IN WAIKĪKĪ. SO THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT TODAY
IS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, PRIVATE INDUSTRY AND
SO ON, IS PART OF THE WATERSHED ECOSYSTEM. AND SO YOU HAVE TO REALLY TAKE
A SYSTEMS THINKING APPROACH IF YOU’RE GOING TO ADDRESS
THINGS LIKE FLOODS. YOU KNOW, SO THE APPROACH
WE’RE TAKING IS PART OF OUR NEWLY ESTABLISHED HAWAIʻI
ESTABLISHED FOUNDATION IS TO REALLY LOOK AT THESE FIVE
DIFFERENT COMPONENTS BUT TAKE THE SYSTEM APPROACH. WE’RE LOOK AT NOT JUST FLOOD
PART, BUT WE’RE LOOKING AT REMOVING ALIEN SPECIES WHICH
CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEBRIS THAT GETS DOWN INTO THE STREAMS. CLOG UP THE DRAINAGE. COMES OVER THE TOP.
AND HOW WE’RE GOING TO TAKE, BECAUSE ALBESIA, FOR EXAMPLE,
150 ACRES OF THE PARADISE PARK PROPERTY, SOLID DENSE
ALBESIA. HUGE AMOUNT OF BIOMASS. TO HARVEST ONE SINGLE ALBESIA
TREE.>>Daryl: BASICALLY SAYING
THAT UPSTREAM, THE UNNATURAL AS DOWNSTREAM RIGHT NOW. IF YOU HAVE A NATURAL SYSTEM
UPSTREAM, MAYBE YOU HAVE LESS FLOODING PROBLEM DOWNSTREAM.>>EXACTLY.>>Daryl: DAVE WATASE,
PROPERTY OWNER, WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT FLOODING
THERE? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE A CONCERN
ABOUT BEING FLOODS AND THE WAY THE STREAMS AND STUFF ARE
ORGANIZED UP THERE?>>I’M FOR PROTECTING
WAIKĪKĪ. I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS
ECONOMIC RAMIFICATIONS IF WAIKĪKĪ GETS HIT BY BIG FLOOD. I’M ALSO CONCERNED WITH
PROTECTING UPPER WATERSHED AND THIS PLAN IS NOT A
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE’S MANY AREAS, FROM
IOLANI TO H-1. FROM MCCULLY TO MCKINLEY HIGH
SCHOOL. MANY AREAS IN MAKIKI WHERE THE
MODELING SHOWS IT STILL FLOODS. AND IT PROTECTS WAIKĪKĪ ONLY.>>Daryl: LET ME GO OVER HERE. GO AHEAD AND WE WERE TALKING
EARLIER ABOUT WHAT IS AT STAKE HERE. DO YOU FEEL LIKE IF YOU DON’T
DO THIS PROJECT, YOU’RE GOING TO END UP WITH TREMENDOUS
COSTS TO COMMUNITY HERE?>>WE ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE
WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS. BUT FIRST, LET ME SAY THAT WE
COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE THAT YOU CAN’T JUST ADDRESS
FLOODING IN WAIKĪKĪ WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE FOLKS IN
MOILIILI AND MCCULLY. AND YOU CAN’T ADDRESS THOSE
WITHOUT LOOKING WHAT’S GOING ON IN THE UPPER WATERSHED. SO THERE’S A LOT OF
MISUNDERSTANDING THAT’S GOING ON IN THE UPPER
WATERSHED BECAUSE THERE’S A FOLKS WHO SAY WE’VE NEVER
FLOODED. WATER PASSES THROUGH JUST
FINE. IT’S A VERY STEEP CHANNEL. THAT MAY VERY WELL BE TRUE
LIKE THE DOCTOR SAID, WATER STARTS HERE AND TRAVELS DOWN. WHAT’S ALSO UNIQUE ABOUT THE
STATE OF HAWAIʻI RESIDENTS OWN PROPERTY THAT GOES UP TO
THE MIDDLE OF THE STREAM. SO THERE BECOMES A CHALLENGE
FOR HOW MUCH CAN YOU DO WITHIN THE STREAM WITHOUT
INTERRUPTING? THEN YOU HAVE THE FACT THAT IT
IS UNNATURAL AND YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE ALBESIA TREES, BUT
UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THEY’VE BEEN THERE FOR SUCH A
LONG TIME, THAT HAS BECOME HABITAT FOR ENDANGERED
SPECIES. THERE IS CONCERN WITH THAT. IF THE SOLUTION IS TO JUST
CLEAN OUT ALL THE ALBESIA, ACTUALLY DOING IS INCREASING
THE FLOW OF THE WATER, THE ISSUE IS NOT THAT WE HAVE RAIN
AT THE TOP AND RAIN AT THE BOTTOM, IT’S THAT WE
DEVELOPED, WE BEING THE DEVELOPERS IN THE FIFTIES AND
SIXTIES AND EVEN BEFORE THAT IN 1921, WHEN THEY FIRST
CONSTRUCTED THE ALA WAI CANAL, THEY DEVELOPED IT FOR
THEIR CURRENT NEEDS. NOT THINKING AND LOOKING INTO
THE FUTURE. I THEY WE CAN ALL AGREE ON
THAT.>>Daryl: GO TO ROBERT FOR THE
CITY. WHAT TO YOU SEE AS AT STAKE AS
WHAT IS IT NECESSARY DO A PROJECT SUCH AS THIS? WHEN WE TALK SPECIFICALLY, WE
TALK A LOT ABOUT ALA WAI AND WAIKĪKĪ. WHAT WOULD THE CITY SAY IS AT
STAKE THERE?>>WE CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT
PUBLIC SAFETY IS ONE OF MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT
GOVERNMENT DOES. ALL THREE LEVELS OF
GOVERNMENT. FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL. IT’S AN OBLIGATION FOR US DO
THIS, MAKE SURE WE’RE TRYING TO PROVIDE AS MUCH PUBLIC
SAFETY AS POSSIBLE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT, WE’VE GOT
TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW. SO I KNOW THERE’S IDEALISTIC
IDEAS TO GO WAY BACK TO THE WAY THE AHUPUAPAS WERE MANY, MANY
YEARS AGO. BUT REALISTICALLY, WE CAN’T
DO THAT. BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS WORK WITH
WHAT WE HAVE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE FLOOD
CANAL PROJECT ONE PIECE OF THE LARGER PUZZLE. SO IT’S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT
DO. GOING TO PROVIDE VERY
IMPORTANT LEVEL OF SAFETY. AND ECONOMIC SAFETY AND HUMAN
SAFETY. BUT A LOT MORE THINGS HAVE TO
BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT.>>VARIOUS PUBLIC HEARINGS
AND STUFF, ROBERT MENTIONED CONCERN FOR SAFETY. I THINK WE ALL CONCERNED WITH
SAFETY. AS FAR AS THE ARMY CORPS, IN
THEIR EIS, THERE IS NO CLAIM OF ANYBODY OR ANY QUANTITY OF
PEOPLE GETTING HURT. OR DEATHS. WHEREAS FORECLOSURES, IF
CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE HITS THE ISLAND, THERE’S A PROJECTION
OF UP TO $43 MILLION, BILLION DOLLARS OF DAMAGE AND 500
DEATHS VERSUS THIS PROJECT IN THE EIS, NO CLAIM FOR SAFETY. ONLY BEEN PROPERTY DAMAGE. EVEN AT THAT, THE BILLION
DOLLARS DAMAGE THAT THEY’RE CLAIMING 1.14 BILLION, IS
ACTUALLY BASED ON 3-FOOT SEA LEVEL RISE AND 50 YEARS IN THE
FUTURE. 100 YEAR STORM THE WAY THEY
PROJECTED HIT TODAY, I THINK DAMAGE FIGURE IS EXAGGERATED. AND 2015, SAME MODEL, WAS
BASED ON A $300 MILLION DAMAGE.>>LET ME ADDRESS THIS IN TWO
WAYS. FIRST, EIS IS ONE PIECE OF THE
FEASIBILITIES STUDY. INTEGRATED PIECE OF THE
FEASIBILITY STUDY. I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY
TO NOT JUST FOCUS ON THE EIS, THE EIS AND THE RECORD
DECISION THAT WAS RECENTLY SIGNED IN SEPTEMBER BY THE
ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE ARMY FOR CIVIL WORKS. IS ONE PIECE OF THAT
INTEGRATED FEASIBILITY REPORT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO
ACTUALLY LOOK INTO THE REPORT AND LOOK FOR THAT. BUT LET ME ALSO SAY THAT’S
CORE OF ENGINEERS PEOPLE ACROSS THE NATION, ACROSS THE
WORLD, COME TO THE CORE OF ENGINEERS FOR THESE TOUGH
ENGINEERING PROBLEMS TO COME UP WITH THESE SOLUTIONS. IF YOU JUST LOOK ACROSS THE
STATE OF HAWAIʻI, YOU LOOK AT THE BIG ISLAND, THE FLOOD
CONTROL FEATURES THAT THE CORE OF ENGINEERS HAS
CONSTRUCTED AND MAINTAINED IN COOPERATION WITH THE COUNTY
OF HAWAIʻI, ON THE BIG ISLAND, I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO
JUST GOOGLE OR YOUTUBE ALANAYO STREAM FLOOD CONTROL
PROJECT AND HOW IT EMPTIES INTO THE HILO BAY SOCCER
FIELD. FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT. SAVED AFTER HURRICANE LANE,
ONE OF THE WETTEST TROPICAL CYCLONES U.S. HISTORY BEHIND
HURRICANE HARVEY IN TEXAS, SAVED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR
THE COUNTY OF HAWAIʻI AND STATE OF HAWAIʻI.>>Daryl: HOLD ON. WE ARE GETTING KIND OF INTO A
DEBATE ABOUT THIS SPECIFICS OF THIS PROJECT. WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT THE
SPECIFIC OF THIS PROJECT. START BY BRINGING US BACK TO
HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. DESCRIBE AND ROBERT. YOU CAN PITCH IN. HOW DOES IT WORK? LOOK AT A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS
WHAT THE PROJECTED FLOODING IS. FROM THE EIS. PROJECTED FLOODING. WOULD BE FROM THIS 100 YEAR
FLOOD. CAN TALK ABOUT HOW BIG 100
YEAR FLOOD IS. IF YOU WANT TAKE A LOOK AT THIS
GRAPHIC, TELL ME WHAT YOU’RE SEEING THERE. I BELIEVE THAT’S THE
EXPECTED FLOODING. DOESN’T SHOW THE DEPTH. THIS IS JUST THE BREATH OF THE
FLOODING THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN A MOST PEOPLE KNOW IT AS 100
YEAR STORM. BETTER WAY TO UNDERSTAND IT,
100% CHANCE OF EXCEEDENCE. EVERY YEAR, 1% CHANCE OF THIS
EVENT HAPPENING.>>Daryl: DOESN’T MENTION HOW
DEEP IT IS. TELL ME HOW DEEP IT IS.>>DIFFERENT DEPTHS IN
DIFFERENT PLACES.>>Daryl: WHERE IS THE DEEPEST
THAT YOU COULD RECALL?>>I BELIEVE IT’S AROUND THE
ACTUAL CANAL. IS THE DEEPEST. THERE MATHIAS BE SOME SPOTS
SOME OTHER PLACES.>>Daryl: IF I’M STAYING A
HOTEL AND THAT HAPPENS, AM I ON THE FIRST FLOOR OR SECOND
FLOOR? HOW HIGH IS THE WATER?>>I DON’T THINK IT GOES UP TO
THE SECOND FLOOR IN ANY OF THESE.>>LET ME JUST POINT OUT, WHAT
YOU’RE SEEING HERE IS YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY BY THE RESULTS OF
THIS THAT WAIKĪKĪ IS THE BOTTOM OF THE BOWL. WHERE THE WATER IS, DEEPEST,
WHERE THE IMPACT IS THE GREATEST, IS WHERE PEOPLE
DURING EVERY DAY STORM EVENT, SEE IT. MCCULLY MOILIILI. THAT AREA DOWN THERE. WHAT HAPPENING IS BECAUSE
WITH THE BRIDGE CONSTRICTIONS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE
CONSTRICTIONS, WATER HITS A POINT WHERE IT SPILLS OUT. TRAVELS. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER COME UP
FROM THE PALOLO VALLEY, MANOA VALLEY OR EVEN THE MAKIKI
VALLEY, ENDS UP TRAVELING DOWN INTO MCCULLY AND
MOILIILI.>>Daryl: WE’RE SEEING IN THIS
PICTURE, YOU GUYS CAN PITCH IN ON THIS TOO. SEEING UP MANOA VALLEY, THAT
LOOKS LIKE AROUND THE UNIVERSITY OR JUST ABOVE THE
UNIVERSITY. THERE’S QUITE A BIT OF WATER
UP THERE. ALL THE WAY UP INTO PALOLO. WATER. WE CAN SEE ALL THE WAY MAKIKI
I THINK CINERAMA THEATER. GETTING WET UP THERE. OLD CINERAMA. NO ONE KNOWS WHERE IS ANY
MORE. SO LONG AGO. DO YOU FOLKS, DAVID, DO YOU
GUYS DISPUTE THIS WOULD BE THE RESULT OF THIS?>>DEFINITELY. LIKE MAGIC. I MEAN, THERE’S NO WAY. GOING TO FLOOD. I MEAN, I’M NOT SAYING THAT IT
CAN’T HAPPEN. THIS IS NOT 100 YEAR STORM.>>Daryl: HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?>>100 YEAR STORM IS BASED ON
HISTORIC DATA.>>Daryl: HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS
WON’T HAPPEN?>>I WOULDN’T SAY IT WOULDN’T
HAPPEN. BUT IT’S NOT THE 100 YEAR
STORM.>>Daryl: YOU DON’T THINK IT’S
AS LIKELY TO HAPPEN AS IS BEING SAID.>>COULD HAPPEN TOMORROW. YOU COULD HAVE A HURRICANE
CAME HERE AND DUMPED 50 SOMETHING INCHES.>>YOU DON’T NEED A HURRICANE. TEN INCHES OF RAIN IN ONE
HOURS. HAHAIONE VALLEY.>>THAT’S ONE VALLEY. BASICALLY STUDY NEEDS TO BE
BASED ON HISTORIC DATA, WHICH YOU USED. WHICH BASICALLY, IN YOUR EIS,
SEVERELY LACKING.>>Daryl: GOING TO COME BACK TO
THIS. AS I WAS TRYING TO DO, TELL ME
HOW THAT DOESN’T HAPPEN IF THIS IS BUILT.>>SO WHAT TECHNIQUES, WHAT IS
GOING TO HAPPEN UPSTREAM?>>WHAT WARRIOR TRYING TO DO
THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE THE IDEA, AS THE DOCTOR
MENTIONED, THE URBAN AREAS IN THE BUILDING HAVE BECOME PART
OF YOUR ECOSYSTEM. PART OF THE SYSTEM NOW. YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO
CONSIDERATION. SO THE IDEA IS WE ARE TRYING
TO GO BACK AND RETROFIT OR INSTITUTE A SYSTEM TO NOT
CONTROL THE WATER AND NOT TELL THE WATER WHERE IT’S GOING TO
GO BECAUSE THE IDEA IS WE WOULD, IN 50, 100 YEARS,
LOOKING BACK AND SAYING, IT WAS NO DIFFERENT THAN IN 1921,
WHEN WE STARTED DEVELOPING. SO THE IDEA IS TO LOOK AT THE
TIMING OF THE WATER. WHEN THESE STORMS HIT, WHERE
THE STORMS HIT AND WHERE THE WATER GOES. IDEA IS TO IMPACT THE TIMING
OF THE WATER. REGARDLESS OF WHAT SIZE OF
EVENT IS IT IS. IF YOU CAN IMPACT THE TIMING,
WHEN YOU HAVE A MANOA, PALOLO CANAL CONFLUENCE, RIGHT NOW,
WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY BOTH COME THROUGH AND MEET AT THE SAME
TIME AND GO DOWN THAT CHANNEL AT APPROXIMATELY
18,000 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND. THAT’S EXTREMELY FAST AMOUNT. WHAT HAPPENS IS IT CREATES A
BACKFLOW OR BACK HEAD. THEN ENDS UP SPINAL CORD
INJURING OUT OVER THE CHANNEL BECAUSE IT CAN NO LONGER
HANDLE IT. IF YOU CAN INFLUENCE THE
TIMING OF ONE VALLEY OR ANOTHER VALLEY, OR ONE STREAM
OR THE OTHER STREAM, WHAT YOU’RE DOING IS THROUGH THESE
DETENTION BASINS, IS OFFSETTING THE TIMING JUST
ENOUGH SO THAT AS IT TRAVELS DOWN THROUGH THESE UNDERSIZED
CHANNELS, AND WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT HIGH
ENOUGH, YOU’RE ALLOWING IT TO PASS THROUGH AND ALLOWING AND
REDUCING THAT IMPACT. NOW, ANOTHER THING WE NEED TO
TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, THIS IS A FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT. DOES NOT NECESSARILY ACCOUNT
FOR ALL OF THE INTERIOR DRAINAGE BECAUSE, AGAIN, WHEN
THIS SYSTEM WAS DEVELOPED, IT WAS DEVELOPED WITH PLANTATION
STYLE HOMES AND ELEVATED HOMES WITH UNDERSTANDING AND
A LOT LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACES SO THE WATER WAS
GOING TO TRAVEL OVER AND IT WOULD SINK BACK DOWN IN.>>Daryl: I NEED TO BACK YOU
UP. THE FIRST POINT YOU WERE
MAKING IS, I’M ONLY UNDERSTANDING THIS MYSELF. I APOLOGIZE FOR FOLKS WHO
MIGHT BE WAY AHEAD OF ME ON THIS. TALKING ABOUT SLOWING DOWN
THE WATER IN HUGE, ALL OF THIS RAIN COMING DOWN AT ONCE. IF ALL THE WATER CAME DOWN THE
WAY IT TYPICALLY DOES NOW, END UP WITH HUGE POND THAT
EVENTUALLY WILL GO AWAY. CREATES HUGE POND.>>OVERWHELMS.>>Daryl: IF YOU CAN SLOW IT
DOWN COMING OUT OF MANOA, GIVE PALOLO TIME OR VICE VERSA,
THEN YOU END UP WITH LESS OF THE BIG POND RISING UP.
IS THAT A FAIR WAY OF DESCRIBING THAT?>>PROVIDES AND OPPORTUNITY
FOR THE WATER TO STAY IN THE CHANNEL AND WATER THAT STILL
MAY LEAVE THE CHANNEL IS AT MUCH LOWER DEPTHS AT CERTAIN
INTERVALS. WHETHER IT’S TEN YEAR EVENT,
50 YEAR EVENT, 100 YEAR, 500 YEAR EVENT, THE FACT REMAINS
THAT WAIKĪKĪ, MCCULLY, MOILIILI, THAT AREA ALL THE
WAY ACROSS IOLANI SCHOOL, IS THE BOTTOM OF THE BOWL.>>Daryl: DO YOU WANT TO ADD
ANYTHING TO THAT CONCEPT?>>WELL, SO WE’RE LISTENING TO
ALL OF THIS BEEN A PART OF IT. SO WE’VE GOTTEN COMMENTS FROM
PEOPLE LIKE MR. WATASE WHAT I
DON’T HEAR IS WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE IS THIS ISN’T GOING
TO HAPPEN THE WAY THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS IS SAYING IT’S
GOING TO HAPPEN. WE KNOW CORPS OF ENGINEERS IS
PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS. SCIENTISTS. ACADEMICIAN STUDY THIS. DEVELOP MODELS. WORK WITH ORGANIZATIONS. HAVE LABORATORIES, DO THESE
TESTS AND COME UP WITH THIS MODEL. THIS MODEL IS AS GOOD AS OUT
THERE. THAT JUST SETS THE BASE DATA
OF WHAT WE NEED TO WORK WITH. AND WE’RE COMFORTABLE WITH
WORKING WITH THAT. SO YES, THE WAY JEFF HERE
DESCRIBES HOW IT’S GOING TO BE DONE, IT WAS DONE THROUGH THE
PROCESS OF FEASIBILITY STUDY. THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT
OPTIONS THAT WERE STUDIED. AND SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS
DEEMED TO BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE SOLUTION TO THIS
PROBLEM. IS THE IDEA OF, BECAUSE THE
RAINFALLS IN THE VALLEY. EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU GO TO
WAIKĪKĪ IT NEVER RAINS BUT THAT’S WHERE THE WATER ENDS
UP. MAKES SENSE TO HOPE SOME OF IT
ENDS UP IN THE UPPER VALLEY. IN THE END, JUST LIKE YOU WERE
SAYING, YOUR DESCRIPTION WAS VERY GOOD ABOUT CREATING A
POND. THAT POND AS THE WATER FILLS
IT IN, DOES HAVE AN EXIT. IT’S THE OCEAN. EVENTUALLY GOES OUT TO THE
OCEAN. BUT IF IT FILLS UP TOO FAST,
THAT’S WHAT CAUSES THE FLOODING THAT YOU SAW.>>Daryl: WE KIND OF REHEARSED
THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. DESCRIBE YOUR PROPERTY AND
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO IT UNDER THIS PROPOSAL. THE PROPERTY IN PALOLO.>>IT WOULD REQUIRE MY
PROPERTY TO PUT DETENTION BASIN THERE. I DISPUTE DETENTION BASIN IS
NEEDED.>>Daryl: I UNDERSTAND THAT. TALK ABOUT WHAT DETENTION
BASIN WOULD BE AT YOUR PROPERTY. NO HOUSE THERE RIGHT NOW. IT’S A VALLEY.>>DETENTION BASIN IS EARTH
EMBANKMENT. AND MAYBE 120 FEET ACROSS. 180 FEET WIDE. KIND OF LIKE SHAPED LIKE A
PYRAMID. THERE’S A PIPE CONDUIT
RUNNING THROUGH IT. THAT BASICALLY, MINIMIZES THE
AMOUNT OF FLOW THAT CAN GO THROUGH. ANY STORM THAT’S BIGGER THAN
THE DESIGN TO ALLOW TO GO THROUGH, WILL BE THE WATER
WILL BE RETAINED. LEASED AT STEADY PACE THAT’S
THE PURPOSE OF DETENTION BASIN. I UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT I’M QUESTIONING IS
THERE’S OTHER ALTERNATIVE, BETTER ALTERNATIVES THAT CAN
BE PURSUED THAT CAN STILL SATISFY AND PROTECT THE
PUBLIC AND PROTECT WAIKĪKĪ. IN PALOLO VALLEY, EXAMPLE,
YOUR CHART FOR DAMAGE SHOWS $7,000 IN PALOLO VALLEY. YET PLACING TWO DETENTION
BASINS IN PALOLO VALLEY. I THINK A LOT OF THIS
DETENTION AREAS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED ON THE BOTTOM
END AS FAR AS ALTERNATIVES. IS ONE WOULD BE THE FLOOD GATE
FLOOD PUMP, IN THE EIS,.>>FLOOD GATES IN THE PROJECT. I’M SAYING FLOOD GATE OR
LOCK SYSTEM WHERE IS BASICALLY, ALSO PROTECT THE
CANAL AND ALL THE DRAINAGE GOING INTO ALA WAI CANAL FROM
SEA LEVEL RISE, TIDE SURGES, FROM HURRICANES, AND STORMS,
AND KING TIDES. THIS PROJECT DOES NOT PROTECT
FROM THAT AND WE WON’T HAVE TO RETROFIT EVERY SINGLE STORM
DRAINAGE OUTLET WITH MECHANICAL CAP BECAUSE YOU
PLAN ON BUILDING THE WALL TO HOLD THE WATER. THE OCEANS ONLY QUARTER MILE
AWAY. TO ME, OBJECT IS TO GET THE
WATER FROM THE CANAL TO THE OCEAN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. YOU CAN HAVE A SPILL WAY. KAPIOLANI PARK. SPILL WAY UNDER A ROAD. THERE ARE PROBABLY A THOUSAND
DIFFERENT THINGS YOU CAN DO DIFFERENTLY FOR THIS, TO THIS
PROJECT. EVERYTHING HE IS SAYING, SAID
SEVERAL TIMES, NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS BEEN SAID. EVERY TIME, IT’S ANALYZED AND
REVIEWED. TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THAT IF
THERE’S A POSSIBLE WAY. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, WE THE
CITY HAVE NO DESIRE TO TAKE ANYBODY’S PROPERTY. SO WE’VE BEEN PUTTING
PRESSURE ON COURT OURSELVES TO SAY, LET’S SEE IF THERE IS
SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO TWEAK. THE ANSWER IS BASICALLY, WE
WILL TRY. SO THE STAGE THAT WE ARE RIGHT
NOW WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS IS 30% DESIGN. AS YOU MENTIONED, NOW GETTING
INTO THE MODELING LITTLE MORE DETAILED. THERE IS WE GET MORE DATA. THERE WILL BE TWEAKS AND
CHANGES TO THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. OBVIOUSLY, ANYTHING WE CAN DO
TO SAVE ANYBODY’S PROPERTY, WE’LL DO THAT. WE’LL MAKE SURE WE WON’T MAKE
SURE THEY DO IT.>>Daryl: LET ME GIVE DOCTOR A
CHANCE TO WEIGH IN HERE. YOUR OWN FEELINGS ABOUT THE
STRUCTURE OF THIS AND ARE THERE ALTERNATIVES THAT
YOU’VE SEEN THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THIS KIND OF
EVENT. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
HAPPENS IS WE TALK ABOUT FLOODING, THIS LEVEL, THIS
LEVEL. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU
HAVE HAD THIS KIND EVENT, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE
EFFECTIVE AT PREVENTING IT?>>LET ME JUMP IN A COUPLE OF
THINGS. ONE WAS THE ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT JEFF BROUGHT UP, IF YOU WERE TO REALLY REMOVE THE
150 ACRES OF ALBESIA, OPEN BARE SOIL, OUR PLAN, TAKE
SYSTEMATIC APPROACH. HARVEST THE ALBESIA IN STAGES
AND USE THAT BIOMASS FOR ENERGY PRODUCTION. BIOMASS TO ENERGY. FROM THE BIGGER POINT OF VIEW,
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT ONE AREA NOW. HOW WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT
SOLVE THIS PROBLEM?>>WELL, ACTUALLY HELP TO
MITIGATE WHERE SOME OF THESE DETENTION DAMS MIGHT BE
PLACED. MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE
PLACED IN WATASE’S PROPERTY.>>Daryl: MORE OF A TWEAK AS
OPPOSED TO WHOLE THING. ECOSYSTEM RESTORATION
PROJECT. SO AS I SAID, BY TAKING IT
SYSTEM SEEKING APPROACH, REMOVING ALIEN SPECIES LIKE
ALBESIA, REPLANTING WITH KUKUI NUT, WHICH HAS THE NUT
ITSELF IS A VERY EFFECTIVE BIOMASS FOR ENERGY
PRODUCTION. WE CAN USE HYDROELECTRIC, SO
WE CAN ACTUALLY ESTABLISH A MICROGRID FOR PRODUCING
ENERGY IN THAT MANOA AREA.>>Daryl: I WANT TO MAKE SURE. I’VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS
FROM VIEWERS HERE. YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT. REALLY DO WANT TO DO THIS. I KNOW THERE’S MANY WATERSHED
REGISTRATION PROJECTS GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTRY. ISLANDS TO GET TO NATURAL. IF YOU ACTUALLY HAD HEALTHY
NATURAL FORESTS ABOVE THIS WATERSHED, HOW WOULD THIS
MAKE A DIFFERENCE.>>WITHOUT THE KIND OF
CHANNELIZATION THAT’S BEEN DONE.>>Daryl: STUCK WITH THE
CHANNELIZATION WE’VE GOT FOR THE MOST PART.>>YOU SAID IF IT WAS TOTALLY
NATURAL THING, THE STREAM NATURALLY WOULD MEANDER AND
SOME OF THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP TO PREVENT. SLOW DOWN THE WATER.>>Steve: I’VE GOT TO GET TO
SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. THERE’S A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS
THAT ARE COMING IN ABOUT THE ALA WAI CANAL ITSELF. WAS IT THE DIAMOND HEAD SIDE
OF THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE ALA WAI, STOPPING
NATURAL FLOW? WHY DON’T YOU JUST HAVE THE
OTHER END OF THE ALA WAI GO OUT KAPIOLANI PARK. AS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED. WOULD THAT CHANGE WHAT YOU
HAVE TO DO UPSTREAM? IF YOU JUST TOOK CARE OF THAT?>>THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION
IS NO. BUT THERE’S TWO REASONS FOR
IT. NUMBER ONE, THE
INFRASTRUCTURE FROM THE TOP TO THE BOTTOM DOESN’T CHANGE. IF YOU CREATE THE SECOND EXIT,
WHAT YOU WOULD BE DOING IS POTENTIALLY WOULD BE
ALTERNATIVE AND I’M NOT SAYING THAT AN ALTERNATIVE
WOULDN’T WORK TO GETTING WATER OUT FASTER. WHAT YOU WOULD BE DOING IS
PUTTING ALL OF THAT BROWN WATER AND DIRTY WATER FROM THE
VALLEY COMING DOWN AND YOU WOULD BE PUTTING IT STRAIGHT
OUT THROUGH KAPIOLANI PARK AS I WOULD AGREE, APPROPRIATE
WAY TO CREATE THE SECOND OPENING OUT THROUGH KAPIOLANI
PARK AND RIGHT THERE. WHAT DO YOU HAVE DOWN THERE? YOU HAVE OCEANS CURRENT. ALL OF THAT REEF. WAIKĪKĪ BEACH. AND FROM ENVIRONMENTALLY
ACCEPTABLE STANDPOINT, MY QUESTION WOULD BE FOR THOSE
WHO WOULD PROPOSE THAT, IS THAT ENVIRONMENTALLY
ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE TO THEN PUT ALL THE BROWN WATER
WHICH GOES AND TRAVELS OUT THROUGH, HAS AN OPPORTUNITY
TO DROP OUT THROUGH THE CANAL AS IT GOES OUT TO WALL ALA WAI. THAT FOR THE LAST 100 YEARS. ALA WAI CANAL WAS CONSTRUCTED
BEFORE MUCH NEEDED.>>Daryl: YOU PICTURE, IF YOU
PICTURE WHAT ALA WAI CANAL LOOKS LIKE AT THE ALA WAI
YACHT HARBOR, IT’S KIND OF A DUMP? THERE’S A LOT OF STUFF THAT
COMES OUT THROUGH THAT CANAL. MAYBE DREDGING WILL HELP. THERE’S A THE LOT OF TRASH
THAT COMES DONE THROUGH THIS. WHAT YOU’RE SAYING IS IF YOU
PUT ANOTHER CHANNEL OUT THROUGH KAPIOLANI PARK, ALL
THE BEACHES OVER THERE WOULD BE CHANGED FOREVER BY THE
MOVEMENT OF THAT WATER?>>WE BELIEVE THAT’S WHY THAT
DESIGN WAS NEVER COMPLETED TO THE FIRST PLACE. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN. REALIZED IF YOU DO THAT, PUT
ALL OF THIS MUCK IN THE MAIN PORTION OF THE WAIKĪKĪ.>>WHY IT’S SO IMPORTANT TO
ENGAGE THE COMMUNITIES. CAN’T DUMP, REFRIGERATOR,
SHOPPING CART, TIRES AND SO ON INTO THE STREAM SYSTEMS. THE WORK WE’RE DOING, WORKING
WITH SCHOOLS, 43 SCHOOLS WORKING IN THE ALA WAI
WATERSHED NOW. NOT ALL OF THEM WITHIN THE
WATERSHED. SOME COMING FROM THE OUTSIDE
BECAUSE THEY SEE THE POTENTIAL OF THIS PROJECT
SERVING AS A MODEL FOR APPLICATION ELSEWHERE IN THE
STATE. OR GLOBALLY. SO BUT WHEN THE COMMUNITY GETS
INVOLVED, THEY WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED TO
TAKE OWNERSHIP OF YOUR WATERSHED. YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR
WATERSHED SO YOU DON’T GET THE KIND OF DEBRIS YOU’RE
TALKING ABOUT THAT WOULD ENTER THE CANAL OUT IN THE
OCEAN.>>Daryl: THIS IS A POINT I
KNOW MR. WATASE RAISED
EARLIER. TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THE BIGGER
FLOODS EVERYONE REMEMBERS. 2004? FLOOD DAMAGED HAMILTON
LIBRARY. UNIVERSITY OF HAWAIʻI, BACKED
UP WATER TO MANOA. AND THAT WAS PRIMARILY,
WASN’T THAT PRIMARILY FOR LACK OF MAINTENANCE OF THE
EXISTING SYSTEM?>>THAT’S MY UNDERSTANDING. THERE’S A 2004 STUDY ON THAT
FLOOD. AND WHAT IT SHOWED WAS THE
WOOD LAWN BRIDGE WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR
10-FOOT OPENING, 5 FEET OF IT WAS FILLED WITH SILT. AND THEN DEBRIS FROM THE TREES
AND THE BRANCHES PLUGS THE OTHER HALF. AND CAUSED THE WATER TO GO
DOWN.>>Daryl: THAT PICTURE.>>EXACTLY. RIGHT NOW, ALREADY, I THINK,
DID A PROJECT TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. SAME STORM HIT TODAY, IT
SHOULD EASILY PASS THROUGH. EVEN IF IT DIDN’T, U.H. RIGHT
NOW, HAMILTON LIBRARY, WHERE I THINK MOST OF THE DAMAGE WAS
DONE, TO A LOT OF HISTORIC DOCUMENTS THAT REQUIRED
SPECIALIST RESTORATION, THEY PROTECTED THEMSELVES.>>WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS
HATS OFF AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THE STATE OF HAWAIʻI FOR
GOING IN AND DOING THAT PROJECT. THEY JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED
IT AND WE’VE RECEIVED AS-BUILT. ACTUALLY BUILT THAT STRUCTURE
INTO OUR NEW MOST UPDATED MODELING. IT DOESN’T CHANGE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK
TO GRAPHIC 102, IT DOESN’T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE WATER
STILL LEAVES THE MANOA CHANNEL ACCORDING TO OUR
MODELING, AT THE MANOA MARKETPLACE AND CREATES ITS
OWN CHANNEL TRAVELS DOWN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. EVEN IF IT HAD NOT BEEN
CLOGGED BY DEBRIS, MODELING SHOWING WOULD HAVE JUMPED
MANOA MARKETPLACE AND TRAVELED THROUGH THE
POPULATED AREA.>>Daryl: CALLER SAYS, WE’RE
GOING GO BACK TO THE BIG POND OF DISCUSSION. POINTS OUT, WHEN IT GETS
REALLY BAD, IT’S THE WATER COMING UPSTREAM THAT FLOODS. IT’S NOT THE WATER COMING
DONE. THE POND COMES LIKE THIS AND
IT GOES BACK AND BACKFILLS INTO THESE AREAS. IT’S NOT SO MUCH–YOU’RE LESS
CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER COMING OUT OF OF THE VALLEY
THAN THAT WATER THAT PONDS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BALL. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY?>>LEVEL OF THAT TIDE
CERTAINLY INFLUENCES HOW THE WATER IS GOING TO REACT AS IT
COMES DOWN THE VALLEY. SO PERFECT STORM, WHICH IS BAD
FENCE, SUPERHIGH TIDES AND THE STORM BRINGING A MUCH OF
WATER DOWN. TONIGHT SEA LEVEL IS
BASICALLY THE BOTTOM OF THE BASIN THAT YOU’RE CREATING TO
HANDLE ALL OF THAT WATER TO LET IT SLOWLY GO OUT INTO THE
OCEAN. SEA LEVEL COMING IN CERTAINLY
AFFECTS SOME OF THE FLOODING THAT MAY HAPPEN.>>Daryl: LOOKING AT PICTURES
NOW OF THE ALA WAI. HIGHER TIDE RIGHT NOW. IN THE PICTURE. SO WHAT YOU’RE SAYING IS WATER
THAT WOULD COME DOWN DURING BIG STORM EVENT, SITTING ON
TONIGHT WATER ON THE ALA WAI RIGHT NOW AND FILL UP AND GO
OVER EDGE.>>VERY SIMPLISTIC VIEW. YES, YOU COULD SAY THAT.>>THOSE ARE THE KIND OF
THINGS I HAVE.>>SITUATION WITH THE ALA WAI
IS THE FLAT. BECAUSE IT’S FLAT, THERE’S NO
SLOPE. BECAUSE THERE’S NO SLOPE. THERE’S NO VELOCITY IN THE
FLOW. BEING WATER CAN COME DOWN FROM
PALOLO, MAKIKI, HIT THE ALA WAI, DOESN’T EDGE INTO THE
OCEAN BECAUSE IT’S FLAT. WHAT WE’VE BEEN SAYING SHOULD
BE LOOKED AT AS ALTERNATIVE PUMP THE WATER TO MOVE THE
WATER BEYOND 1 FOOT PER SECOND AN MOVE IT CLOSER TO THE
OCEAN, GET IT AWAY FROM THE CONFLUENCE AREAS AND ALSO IF
YOU PUT A GATE, DON’T HAVE A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE
INCOMING HIGH TIDE, TIDE SURGE, 5-FOOT TIDE SURGE FROM
A WINDSTORM AND THE WATER IS TRYING TO GET OUT AND THE
WATER IS ACTUALLY ENTERING THE CANAL.>>Daryl: LET ME INTERRUPT
YOU. ANOTHER CALLER CALLED IN AND
SAID, WAIT A MINUTE. ISN’T WAIKĪKĪ GOING TO GET
FLOODED BY JUST HIGHER TIDE ANYWAY? SO WE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT
THAT MORE THAN THIS?>>WALL OR THE LEVIES THAT
WILL GO AROUND THE CANAL WILL HELP PREVENT SOME OF THAT
COMING FROM THE CANAL SIDE. SO THE PROJECT WILL TAKE INTO
ACCOUNT SEA LEVEL RISE. SHOULD PREVENT THAT FROM
HAPPENING.>>Daryl: IS THAT WHAT THE WALL
IS ALONG THE ALA WAI PRIMARILY FOR?>>HANDLE, THIS IS A PROJECT
THAT’S HANDLING THE FLOOD. SO IT’S THE WATER THAT IS
GOING TO COME DOWN, RAIN OF EVENT, BIG RAIN EVENT CAUSE
WATER COMING DOWN FROM THE VALLEY AND PREVENT IT FROM
GOING INTO WAIKĪKĪ. INSTEAD, GO OUT THE CANAL THE
WAYS SUPPOSED TO. THERE WILL BE A PUMP THERE
HELPS PUSH IT OUT. THERE’S BEEN ALL THE THINGS
THAT, AGAIN, MR. WATASE SAID,
ANALYZED AND SO THE PUMP WILL BE PUT AT A PROPER PLACE THAT
MAKES SENSE. AS I SAID SEVERAL TIMES, THIS
IS ALL ONE PIECE OF A PUZZLE. YOU’RE RIGHT. A LOT OF THE WORK UP IN THE
VALLEY, ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE LAND TO MAKE IT
ABSORB BETTER, CAPTURE WATER BETTER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
SOME PEOPLE HAVE A MISCONCEPTION ABOUT IS YOU
CAN RESOLVE THE PROBLEM LIKE THAT. THE AMOUNT OF WATER, WHAT
PEOPLE DON’T REALLY REALIZE IS THE VOLUME OF WATER THAT WE
EXPECT TO COME IS TREMENDOUS. I THINK YOU’VE HEARD PEOPLE
TALK ABOUT RAIN BOMBS. THOSE ARE HAPPENING. KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
HAPPENED IN THE WAILUPE AREA, HAHAIONE AREA. SO FAST AND SO BIG, THE TREES
AREN’T GOING TO ABSORB IT. AND IT’S STILL GOING TO COME
DOWN AND UP. ONE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.>>VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION. RAISED BY A LOT OF OUR
CALLERS. WHAT IS THE LONGTERM PLAN TO
MAINTAIN THIS BASIN AND MONITOR IT ON A REGULAR BASIS? THIS BASIN. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT A NUMBER
OF STRUCTURES, NINE AT LEAST UPSTREAM. ALONG WITH WHAT’S GOING ON ON
THE ALA WAI.>>LET ME START WITH THAT ONE. A LOT OF THIS HAS DO WITH JUST
A MAINTENANCE PIECE ITSELF. THAT’S GOING TO FALL ON THE
CITY AND COUNTY. IS THERE ANY QUESTION ABOUT
THAT?>>NO. NO QUESTION. THERE’S TWO PIECES TO IT. FIRST PIECE, IS THE ONE THAT
YOU ALLUDED TO. ABOUT DEBRIS. THAT’S NOT REALLY PART OF THE
PROJECT AT ALL. THAT’S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO
DO. CLEAN OUT THE DEBRIS. BIDDING SOME STRUCTURES THAT
MAY HELP WITH THAT. AS YOU SAID, STATE PROJECT
UNDER THAT BRIDGE. BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE
DIFFICULTIES COME WITH SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP
ALONG THIS PLACE. SO THERE’S ONLY SO MANY THINGS
WE CAN DO TO MAKE PEOPLE CLEAN UP. WE HAVE RECENTLY ENACTED
LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWS OUR DEPARTMENT OF FACILITIES
MAINTENANCE TO ENFORCE CLEANLINESS OF THE STREAMS A
LOT BETTER THAN WE USED TO BE ABLE TO. CERTAIN PLACES WE COULD TELL
PEOPLE YOU SHOULD CLEAN THIS UP. IF THEY DON’T, NOTHING WE CAN
DO. NOW WE HAVE MORE AUTHORITY.>>EVEN THE AREAS THAT YOU
HAVE ACCESS TO, YOU DON’T CLEAN.>>OKAY. HUNDREDS OF PICTURES AND
PEOPLE CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE, AND LEARN MORE ABOUT THE
PROJECT. GOOGLE STOP ALA WAI
PROJECT.COM. YOU CAN LEARN ABOUT THE
MYTHOLOGY. LEARN ABOUT THE FLAWS AND
CONCERNS OF THE PUBLIC. WE WEREN’T ENGAGED FOR THIS
DISCUSSION. THE PLAN WAS THROWN AT US BY
ARMY CORPS.>>Daryl: I WANT TO LET HIM
FINISH ANSWERING THE QUESTION. WHAT IS THE COMMITMENT BY THE
CITY? NOT JUST TO MAINTAIN THESE
STRUCTURES BUT ALSO TO MAINTAIN ALL OF THE PATHWAYS
OUT OF THIS WATERSHED.>>RIGHT. THAT’S OUR NATURAL JOB. TO DO THAT. I DON’T DISAGREE. WE CAN DO BETTER. I THINK WHAT YOU SAID, VERY
IMPORTANT. THAT WE SHOULD ALSO DO A
BETTER JOB OF EDUCATING THE PUBLIC TO HELP. DO A BETTER JOB OF CLEANING UP
AND HELPING. THAT’S ALL PART OF IT. THE SECOND PART OF IT IS WE ARE
ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY OF MAINTAINING ACTUAL FEATURES. WE’LL HAVE TO BUDGET EVERY
YEAR, SO MUCH MONEY, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FEATURES STAY
VIABLE WHICH ALSO TURNED IT OVER TO JEFF, THAT IS PART OF
ACTUALLY CORPS OF ENGINEERS PROGRAM THAT COMES, HOW WELL
WE DO IN OUR JOB EVERY YEAR OR TWO.>>Daryl: THAT BECOMES.>>GOES INTO A CORPS OF
ENGINEER PROGRAM. FEATURES AREN’T BUILT. ONCE THE FEATURES ARE BUILT,
WALL, DETENTION BASINS, ONCE THEY’RE BUILT, GO INTO A
PROGRAM THAT THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS CONTINUES TO
MONITOR TO MAKE SURE WE’RE CONDUCTING MAINTENANCE WE
NEED TO.>>Daryl: DOES THAT
MAINTENANCE ALSO REFLECT IN ALL OF THESE OTHER CANALS AND
STREAMS? I MEAN, THIS ISSUE THAT
MR. WATASE IS RAISING.>>GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. HAHAIONE FLOOD CONTROL
CHANNEL, COMES FROM HAHAIONE VALLEY AT THE TOP BY THE
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, JUST ABOVE THAT. AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO
THE HARBOR. THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED BY
DEVELOPERS IN THE EARLY SIXTIES. MODIFIED BY DEVELOPERS AGAIN
IN THE LATE SIXTIES. IT’S A CONCRETE LINE CHANNEL. VERY ANTIQUATED TECHNOLOGY. BUT STRAIGHT CHANNEL THAT
GOES STRAIGHT DOWN. DURING THE RAIN BOMB IN
APRIL 2018, IT WAS DAMAGED. BUT BECAUSE IT WAS ENROLLED
AND INSPECT ROUTINELY BY THE CORE ENGINEERS MET ACCEPTANCE
LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE WHAT THAT DAMAGE OCCURRED, CORE OF
ENGINEERS BRINGS FEDERAL MONEY IN TO HELP REHABILITATE
THAT, JUST LIKE WE’RE DOING WITH THE COUNTY OF HAWAIʻI. I WANT TO POINT OUT TWO
THINGS. AGAIN, TO DR. KANESHIRO’S
POINT, AS A FATHER OF CHILDREN FROM GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL TO
FIRST GRADE, THE EDUCATORS HERE ARE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB
OF ADDRESSING THE ISSUE WITH THE KEIKI. HALAU KUMANA. SCIENCE DEPARTMENT, FROM THE
TOP OF THE STREAM I COULDN’T IMAGINE THESE KIDS,
COMPLAINING THAT HAPPENS DURING THE WALK. BUT START AT THE TOP OF THE
STREAM. GO DOWN FROM WHERE IT GOES
NATURAL TO GO UNDERGROUND BECAUSE A LOT OF MAKIKI STREAM
BY KALAKAUA AVENUE, KING STREET, UNDERGROUND. BUILDINGS BUILT ON TOP OF
MAKIKI STREAM. THEN IT COMES DOWN AND THEN
DAYLIGHTS AGAIN. FINALLY EXITS AT THE CANAL. HE WALKS AND IT’S ABOUT
EDUCATING THE KEIKI SO THAT WHEN IT GETS WHEN THEY BECOME
ADULTS THEY HAVE A MUCH GREATER APPRECIATION FOR IT. DEFINITELY WHERE IT STARTS. BUT THE PROBLEM IS IN THE
MEANTIME, WE HAVE ADDRESS THE SITUATION THAT WE’VE BEEN
HANDED TO US. THAT’S WHERE THE CORE OF
ENGINEERS COMES IN BECAUSE IT’S OUR SPECIALTY TO ADDRESS
THESE TOUGH ENGINEERING SOLUTIONS AND PROVIDE
OPPORTUNITIES. WE’RE NOT SAYING THAT OUR
SOLUTIONS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION. SOME OF THESE OTHER SOLUTIONS
MAY CERTAINLY WELL WORK. BUT THIS IS THE SOLUTION THAT
WAS ANALYZED STUDIED, MODELED, THAT’S WHAT THE DATA
IS SHOWING.>>EIS PROCESSED IS NOT THAT
YOU JUST GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS. MY UNDERSTANDING INVOLVES
ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC. HALAU KUMANA. WASN’T AWARE THAT YOU WERE
GOING TO PUT A DETENTION BASIN ON THEIR PROPERTY.>>HOKULANI ELEMENTARY —
>>STOP FOR A SECOND. SPREADING MISINFORMATION. IT WAS ACTUALLY POINTED OUT TO
ME WE WERE THREATENED WE WERE CONDEMNING HALAU KAHUMANA. THEY’RE NOT IN THE FOOTPRINT
OF FEASIBILITY STUDY. HALAU KAHUMANA, CHARTER
SCHOOL, UPSTREAM OF WHERE THE PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL AND
DEBRIS AND RETENTION BASIN WAS PROPOSED. THE INTENT WAS TO SLOW THE
WATER DOWN THERE AND ALLOW IT TO BACK UP TO A POINT AS IT
CONTINUED TO SLOW BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS DOWN BY KANAHA
DITCH, BY MCKINLEY AND THE ROOSEVELT HIGH SCHOOL, GOES
UNDERGROUND. AND YOU HAVE TWO CONFLUENCES
THERE, IT’S VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT’S SO CONGESTED, NO
PLACE TO PUT DEBRIS CONGESTION IS.>>Daryl: THE AVERAGE PERSON
IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE GEOGRAPHY THERE. TO JUST I WANT TO GIVE YOU A
CHANCE TO CLEARLY ANSWER HIS POINT. I MEAN, THERE IS NO QUESTION
THAT WHEN PEOPLE STARTED TO REALIZE WHAT THIS PROJECT
LOOKED LIKE, THERE WAS JUST PEOPLE GOING, WHAT? AND HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT? WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE WHAT! THE PROCESS BEGAN 1998. CORE OF ENGINEERS DIRECTED BY
CONGRESS WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE COME OUT OF STUDY.>>Daryl: THEY CHANGED THE
PROCESS.>>CHANGED PROCESS. 2012, DID A RESCOPING. I AM NOT HERE TO TELL DAYS OR
ANYONE ELSE. I WAS PROJECT
MANAGER AT THE TIME OF THIS STUDY. I AM NOT HERE TO STAY THAT WE
WENT DOOR-TO-DOOR. I WILL SAY THAT IT WAS
DOCUMENTED REVIEWED BY STATE AGENCIES THAT WE DID SEVERAL
ENGAGEMENTS, 44 DOCUMENTED. WAS IT WITH RIGHT AUDIENCE? I’M NOT HERE TO PASS THIS
JUDGMENT. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, DAYS AND
ANYBODY ELSE CAN ATTEST TO THAT, SINCE I CAME ON THIS
PROJECT, I HAVE BEEN VERY WILLING TO ENGAGE,
COMMUNICATE, GONE TO NEIGHBORHOOD BOARDS. HELD VERY CONTENTIOUS MEETING
IN MANOA. NECESSARY BECAUSE IT WAS THE
START OF THIS PHASE THAT EVERYBODY IS LOOKING FOR. EVERYONE IS LOOKING FOR THIS
DELAY, DELAY. THERE’S NO NEED TO DELAY
BECAUSE THAT IS THE PHASE OF THE PROJECT WE’RE IN. REFINE OUR DATA. INCLUDES ENGAGING THE
COMMUNITY TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT OUR REFINED MODELING IS
SHOWING IS THIS WHAT YOU’RE SEEING ON THE GROUND. JUST LIKE WE’VE DONE THE LAST
COUPLE OF WEEKS. SPECIFICALLY WITH HOKULANI
ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND KANEWAI FIELD, MULTIPURPOSE. SPOKE WITH THE CUSTODIAN BEEN
THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS. WE SAID, THIS IS WHAT OUR
MODELING IS SHOWING. WHAT ARE YOU SEEING? HE SHOWED US WHERE AROUND
HOKULANI ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, RETENTION WALLS, THE HOMES
HAVE, THE WATER GETS UP TO OVER 4 FEET TALL.>>Daryl: DO YOU EXPECT THAT
THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WHAT YOU’RE SEEING THAT SOME OF
THESE PIECES WILL BE MODIFIED?>>CERTAINLY. I MEAN, THERE IS STILL
COMMUNITY INPUT THAT’S COMING IN.
AND THERE IS CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE THE CITY ALSO HAVE
SOME CONCERNS OVER THE PROJECT. THIS WEEK, IN FACT, 2 WEEKS,
WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE CORE OF ENGINEERS IN A
WORKSHOP THEY’RE DOING ON SOME OF THE DETAILS,
FURTHERING DETAILS OF THE PROJECT. GOING OVER SOME MORE DETAILS
ON THE HYDROLOGY ON THE EFFECT, ON THE DIFFERENT
MODELS. WE KNOW ALREADY THERE ARE
THINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT NOW THAT WE HAVE BETTER
INFORMATION THAN WE HAD BEFORE. THEY WILL RESULT IN CERTAIN
CHANGES. WE’RE COMFORTABLE THAT
THEY’RE THE RIGHT ONES. I GREW UP ST. LOUIS. PLAYED BASEBALL AT KANEWAI
FIELD. WENT HOKULANI SCHOOL 55 YEARS
AGO. IF YOU’RE TELLING ME THAT THE
HOMES THERE WERE FILLING UP 4 FEET, I’LL GO CHECK WITH THE
CUSTODIAN THERE.>>TALKED TO THE CUSTODIAN AT
HOKULANI ELEMENTARY. I KNOW THE PRINCIPAL.>>Daryl: VIEWER QUESTIONS. WON’T HOMEOWNERS PROPERTY BE
ADVERSELY AFFECTED BE COMPENSATED BY THE CITY. CORE?>>IF WE HAVE TO EMINENT
DOMAIN ANY PROPERTIES, IT WILL GO THROUGH THE EMINENT
DOMAIN PROCESS AND THEY’RE COMPENSATED.>>ARE THEY PAID FOR FULL FAIR
MARKET VALUE?>>JUST COMPENSATION IS THE
TERM. WHICH MEANS WHAT?>>PART OF FIFTH AMENDMENT.>>Daryl: OKAY. WHO WILL PAY FOR ANY COSTS
OVERRUN ON THIS PROJECT? RIGHT NOW, WHO IS PAYING FOR
THE PROJECT? WE HAVEN’T TALKED ABOUT THAT.>>SO THE STATE HAS AGREED TO
PAY FOR THE NONFEDERAL PORTION.>>35%. 35%. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL PAY
THE OTHER 65%.>>Daryl: WHAT IS THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY THEN AFTER THAT?>>THE CITY’S RESPONSIBILITY
FROM WHAT WE AGREED TO WITH THE STATE, IS TO THEN TAKE
OVER THE BASICALLY, WE WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF OBTAINING ANY
LAND THAT WE NEED TO OBTAIN. AND THEN WHEN THE PROJECT IS,
WELL, PROVIDING SOME OVERSIGHT TO THE PROJECT, AS
IT’S BEING CONSTRUCTED, AND THEN TAKING OVER THE
MAINTENANCE, OPERATION AN MAINTENANCE OF IT AFTERWARDS.>>Daryl: INTERESTING
QUESTION. DIDN’T OCCUR TO ME. WHAT ABOUT THE IMPACT ON
NATIVE ANIMALS SUCH AS OOPEI AND OPAIKALOLE? ONE OF THE FEW PRISTINE
MOUNTAIN STREAMS LEFT IN URBAN HONOLULU WITH NATIVE
STREAM ANIMALS. I’M NOT SURE WHICH STREAM THAT
WOULD BE. I MEAN,.>>VERY MUCH DEGRADED. ALL OF THESE NATIVE SPECIES IS
VERY LOW IN POPULATION DENSITY ALREADY. HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE WORK
OF THE K-12 SCHOOLS AND THE KIDS, THEY’VE BEEN REMOVING
ALL OF THIS THE ALIEN SPECIES, LIKE 20,000 ALIEN CAT FINISH
REMOVED. AND ACTUALLY TAKEN THE
CATFISH TO A FARMER IN NIU VALLEY. IT’S NOT WASTED. AND LO AND BEHOLD, 2 YEAR,
SOME OF THE NATIVE OPO BEGINNING TO REAPPEAR. WHAT THAT MEANS IS TERRIFIC
INDICATOR OF HOW BY TAKE CARE OF THE ECOSYSTEM, YOU CAN
START TO RETURN THE WATERSHED INTO A NATURAL FUNCTIONING.>>Daryl: WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT
HOW HARDENED SO MUCH OF THE DOWNSTREAM PART OF THIS
WATERSHED IS. DESCRIBE THE LITERALLY CANALS
UNDERGROUND. WOULD YOU SUPPORT
DR. KANESHIRO LITERALLY
TAKING PROPERTY AROUND THE STREAMS, MAKING THE STREAMS
FLOW MORE NATURALLY? OR JUST WAY PAST ANY KIND OF
THAT.>>IF IT’S AT ALL POSSIBLE, I
THINK WE ARE WAY PAST IT. IF IT’S AT ALL, ANY WAY
POSSIBLE, I WOULD BREAK UP ALL OF THAT CONCRETE
CHANNELIZATION AND MAKE IT MORE NATURAL. I MEAN, I THINK THAT’S
SOMETHING THAT IF IT WAS FEASIBLE AT ALL, WOULD BE
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, SHOULD BE DONE.>>THIS PROJECT IS NOT ADDING
CONCRETE ANYWHERE EXCEPT MAYBE SPILL WAY OR DAM. MISNOMERS ALL KIND OF
CONCRETE CHANNELS BEING ADDED.>>I HOPE NOT.>>POINT ABOUT MAYBE TAKING
SOMETHING CREATED AND BREAKING THEM UP, GREAT IDEA
AND SOMETHING THAT’S CITY IS LOOKING INTO DOING. MAKING THINGS MORE NATURAL.>>EVERY DETENTION BASIN
WOULD DESTROY UP TO 1,000 FEET OF NATURAL STREAM. LEAVING THE STREAM THE WAY IT
IS, SO ABOVE THE DETENTION BASIN, BASICALLY HE IS
EXCAVATING 3 TO 400 FEET OF STREAM. BELOW THE DETENTION BASIN
ANOTHER 150 FEET OF RIPRAP. ANTICIPATE THE FORCE. PRESSURE BEHIND THE WATERED
COMING THROUGH THE DETENTION BASIN, SO STILL TAKING AWAY
THOUSANDS OF FEET OF NATURAL STREAM AND ALTERING NATURAL
ENVIRONMENT. WE’VE INCORPORATED
MITIGATION INTO THIS FOR EXAMPLE MANOA VALLEY, YOU
HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE HOARY BAT. RECORD OF DECISION, TWO
AUTHORIZED PROJECTS WITHIN MANOA STREAM TO ALTER
STRUCTURES THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED THERE. TO IMPROVE THE FLOW AND TO
IMPROVE ECOSYSTEM HABITAT IN THE MANOA STREAM. THE SECOND POINT OF THAT IS I
COULDN’T AGREE MORE WITH DR. KANESHIRO. WHY THE CORE OF ENGINEERS IN
THE HONOLULU DISTRICT HAS COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE
CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU AND THE STATE OF HAWAIʻI JUST LIKE
WE’VE DONE IN OTHER COUNTIES IN SEEKING OUT OPPORTUNITIES
FOR THE ECOSYSTEM RESTORATION. IF THERE’S SOME PLACE ALONG
MAKIKI WE CAN DAYLIGHT THE STREAM, INCREASE CAPACITY AND
PROTENSIONLY PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ECOSYSTEM
RESTORATION AND THOSE, BUT THOSE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT
ARE OTHER PIECES OF THIS PUZZLE. THIS PROJECT IS ONE PIECE OF
THE PUZZLE TO MANAGE THE FLOOD RISKS FOR THE CITY & COUNTY OF
HONOLULU. INTO TWO QUESTIONS THAT ALONG
THIS LINE. I THINK THIS MIGHT KIND OF
REFLECT KIND OF MISUNDERSTANDING OF THIS
PROJECT. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DAM, TALK
ABOUT WALLS AN BASINS. PEOPLE ARE PICTURING KOLOKO. TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT KOLOKO
DAM. ON KAUAI, BROKE AND IT WAS A
RESERVOIR AND CAUSED TREMENDOUS FLOOD. IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL THAT IF
THESE KIND OF STRUCTURES COULD GET OVERWHELMED BY
BIGGER PROBLEM AND CAUSE MORE DAMAGE IF SOMETHING BREAKS?>>YOU UNDERSTAND — REALLY
BRIEFLY. I’M NOT ENGINEER. THESEDETENTION BASINS,
WATERED COMES THROUGH, DEBRIS COMES THROUGH, WHAT’S THE
CHANCES GOING TO CLOG?>>GREAT QUESTION. THE ANSWER TO THAT IS AS THESE
ARE REFERRED TO DEBRIS AND DETENTION BASINS. SO UPSTREAM OF THAT, THERE’S
ACTUALLY DETENTION STRUCTURES STEEL BALLARDS
PLACED TO ENSURE THAT THE DEBRIS DOESN’T COME DOWN AND
CLOG THE STREAM. SO THAT IS A VERY GOOD POINT. THE OTHER POINT IS MY
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT DAM ON KAUAI WAS A PRIVATE DAM THAT
WAS ILLEGALLY ALTERED AND MODIFIED BY THE LANDOWNER AND
HE WAS HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR FOR THAT. HOW THE CORE OF ENGINEERS
WORKS WE DON’T JUST OPERATE AT THE HONOLULU DISTRICT. OUR REVIEW PROCESS GOES
THROUGH THE US ARMY DAM SAFETY CENTER OF EXPERTISE. RISK MANAGEMENT CENTER OF
EXPERTISE, LEVY SAFETY CENTER MUCH EXPERTISE, GOES THROUGH
INDEPENDENT EXTERNAL REVIEW BY AGENCY SEPARATE FROM THE
CORE. SO IT’S NOT JUST HONOLULU
DISTRICT SAYING WE’RE GOOD. LET’S MOVE FORWARD. THIS GOES THROUGH SEVERAL.>>Daryl: 15 SECONDS. GIVE YOU ONE CHANCE JUST TO
SAY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU WANT TO SAY.>>NUMBER ONE, ARMY CORPS —
>>Daryl: ONE THING.>>ABANDON ECOSYSTEM
RESTORATION 2012, 3 YEAR MANDATE TO FINISH EIS. DID NOT PROPERLY ENGAGE THE
PUBLIC. HAD THEY ENGAGED THE PUBLIC,
YOU WOULDN’T HAVE THE PUSH BACK AND OPPOSITION YOU HAVE
TODAY. THE PROJECT WOULD BE A GO.>>Daryl: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAD TO STOP SOMEWHERE WITH
SOMEBODY. APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU GUYS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO OUR
VIEWERS FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. AND WE THANK OUR GUESTS –
JEFF HERZOG, PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE ARMY CORP OF ENGINEERS
ROBERT KRONING, DIRECTOR CITY DEPT. OF DESIGN &
CONSTRUCTION FOR THE CITY AND COUNTY OF HONOLULU
DR. KENNETH KANESHIRO,
PRESIDENT OF THE HAWAIʻI EXEMPLARY STATE FOUNDATION
AND DAVE WATASE, PALOLO LAND OWNER WHO WILL BE IMPACTED BY
THE PLAN. NEXT WEEK ON INSIGHTS – YOUR
MAYOR – AND MAYORS FROM THE OTHER THREE COUNTIES WILL BE
JOINING US… AND AS YOU MIGHT
IMAGINE, THERE’S LOT TO TALK ABOUT. JOIN THE DISCUSSION
NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT. I’M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON
PBS HAWAIʻI – A HUI HOU!

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