Spot and Parasite SPOILERCAST – Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project – 2/4/20

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project I’m well I’m Adam and I’m norm hello hello again just did this no I’ve
changed yes I am wearing replica NASA coveralls and a replica NASA physical
training shirt from Luna replicas my friend Max Keiser Minh has a website
luna replicas comm go there and get some of his incredible nasa stuff really good
replicas of nasa hardware and software and clothing is hard to come by there’s
a lot of bad replicas out there but these guys are doing amazing it’s for
you who would be discerning about the quality of a meatball patch for totally
yeah yeah so for instance met max you’ll notice that will you will notice hmm he
literally bought an old 70s vector-based machine and backs us with cheese cloth
like the original so it’s as shitty as the early patches that’s all refined
like mod was done with punch cards on a ancient pre computer computer so that’s
the level of fidelity he brings and it’s that same blue the same fabric as the
jacket it’s very close to the same kind of twill that the jackets made up what
you didn’t know is we prepared an enema in the other room sorry recording right
stuff Scott plan yeah I think it’s Scott Glenn
sits there with the enema yeah one that does the hose a human is it’s uh it’s
the game plays Gus Grissom right I believe Alan Shepard No
Grissom is played by Fred Ward oh right so it must be it must have been i think
scott glenn plays carpenter but i could be wrong i can’t remember the the
problem with that movie is a lot of those guys look alike because they’re
all like middle-aged white guy throw up great actors like Lance Henriksen is in
there like buried you forget all these amazing people I haven’t watched that in
probably 15 years I should go home I watched it last year and it really holds
up the book is one of my like yeah in the top like the New Journalism Tom
Wolfe Ken Kesey its Thompson you know I was riveting I didn’t read it until Jen
Schachter told me to read it and by the way in the movie when they’re walking
down that long hallway you know where that was shot and I was shot on Third
Street in 22nd here in San Francisco yeah so colossal pictures which was down
off of Quint Street where I worked with Jamie Hyneman in the early nineties
colossal pictures in the in the 80s when they made the right stuff did all the
special effects and when they needed that long hallway shot there’s that long
factory building in Dogpatch on the east side of 3rd Street oh they’re there the
American building is where there’s a 1200 foot long hallway and that’s where
they should where revision3 used to be you ever know a film here hey yeah as
well we’re recording this away or you’re listening this but in San Francisco as
you’re listening list they’re filming the matrix for wait what yep they’re
making the Wachowskis are making the fourth waitress right now and it’s I
know downtown San Francisco you got to remind me after this podcast I’ve got to
reach out to the people I know though what ciao skis and see if we can’t get
tested on that we need to really great if you listener and you’re working on
this production I’m coming for you I won’t even necessary all the awesome
yeah we bring cameras or even not bring cameras we just show up with coffee if
you want yeah Norm’s a good grip we bring a robot that’s really really
exciting and we could bring a robot I know that was a good segue
was entrusted on Pedro’s what’s my purpose fine
Wow hey we cheese’s last week we reported the last episode but we have a
Boston Dynamics spot robot we do have one that for this whole year for this
whole year we are developing for him we’re gonna give him some new skills and
we are going to also help him walk out of the uncanny valley hopefully so that
he doesn’t creep people out because when I see spot I see a magnificent piece of
engineering and a solution to really interesting problems that we might not
have even encountered yet and I I see a future that I like a lot of people when
they see spot they they see a different narrative and I get it I get why they
see that narrative and I know that they’re affected by things like
metalhead the beautiful season four episode of Black Mirror but I would like
everyone to see the engineering feat that I witness we’re trying to get on
the good side of the robots before they go it’s this fascinating thing because
that’s so wrong we all of us over the past decade or so
have seen the videos that Boston Dynamics is put out and spot is of that
DNA but it’s not the Atlas robot it’s not the bipedal robotic dogs not big dog
it has a very specific purpose now inherits a lot of the engineering and
design philosophy that went into those but this is like this is for a very
specific purpose it is for surveying it’s for constructions for industry well
news it’s a tool and it’s in it’s a you know and it is it’s very much a tool
with very few attachments right now like it doesn’t map the room it looks at the
ground in front of it and figures that how to move over it without incident it
took me a couple of weeks of having it here because we’ve had it now for a host
of months yeah it took me a while to rush I didn’t have to steer it away from
things right it moves it has its own sense appropriate so I was shot a cone
movie I was shocked it can navigate your shop yeah like this is I look at this
room it’s a nightmare for humans much less you know yeah it’s what does it
fairly handling that’s something that you know a with video out you should
watch the video because we did take it to one of your favorite place in Alameda
County Sheriff Bob wrangly and really try to put it through spaces because it
is that’s a but an area right an environment where
spot would likely operate but I don’t think people understand it’s both
physically controlled with manual control I can’t you can’t be menu yeah
so there is this controller with the screen it’s essentially an Android
tablet with two sticks you know almost like a video game controller and you can
use a two stick control to to pilot it yeah and look at the screen on the can
exact device and you’re seeing what spot sees you’re seeing the view of the world
that he is witnessing so it has kind of structured light sensor so infrared and
and envisions these there’s some ways rocking white going on I don’t think
there’s any lidar actually the red light it’s some back right so it’s it’s very
much like the Microsoft Kinect or the intel realsense cameras and it has an
array of those all round so that’s where I think the magic in it is how easily it
lets you control it directly to think about things like Lobster what if it
bumps into this thing like how’s it gonna make it over that obstacle when
you were showing it to me and you just tapped on a section of floor from your
shop end of the shop to like by the by the pool table yeah and it just was like
okay I got this and walked over there and kind of shimmy it over to the left
to avoid an obstacle and then walked around and then got to where it was
supposed to be and then you did the same thing by backing it up and I was just
like oh okay this is this this this works better than
I expected you know the the Boston Dynamics folks have been friends of mine
for a few years and we’ve had a lot of time to under two to get to know each
other and I’ve been seeing I’ve been following their progress actually since
the early 90s that’s the first time Mark Roberts early work came across my came
across my attention and it’s so exciting to have him here we turned him on every
day we play around with different things we have a whole bunch of different plans
for him and just like a good any good TV show there are some things we want to do
that are part of an overall plot and there are some bottle episodes I even
have an idea for helping him to poop stars perhaps but yeah the video the
first video is up is a little taste and I’m very excited how well the video has
done I think the respond I mean there’s a response online and
also the responsive person I’ll talk about both though it’s like people have
already come up by watching the video with a lot of like the same direction
they know when they see you and spots together of course there’s gonna be you
know a pure Cosmo Cosmo Cosmo we’re thinking in those terms right like okay
I mean one of the lovely things about producing a series like we are currently
producing is we know what the expectations are and it’s really fun to
both meet them and change them and modify them that’s actually some of the
most fun of the storytelling and then the spottin in the wild which something
we haven’t shown like you were able like you’ve walked the streets of the mission
yeah which spot yeah talk about that wait we were the first day we had him at
the end of that day I was like I want to take him home I want to run him around
my house it’s gotta climb the stairs my house and so it was raining and he is
relatively water resistant and we walked him from here to the house it’s a few
blocks and I mean the most to me please hear him that this feels right
ish it’s sort of a default okay I’m being very open to the character of spot
I have also yesterday I was calling it she okay um and I also may I started
playing around in my head with some acronyms or ideas about a name that
could be specific to him people keep asking what’s what’s the name and my
feeling is a lesson until right like something if something that naturally
occurs that will occur and if it doesn’t it doesn’t
yeah but people they see it on the street they just immediately pull out
their phones like holy cow like just watching it but the best is children
seeing it like it’s not like children have a great scope of all the things
that are going on in the world but they see this thing on the street and like
they can tell something really remarkable is happening in front of them
and their brains kind of like it’s get the smile of it’s the thing it’s the
look on kids faces they got when they get my to makerfaire like you were
walking right make a pair any kids he’s r2d2 rolling up door tonight right it
this is real yeah that’s so cool the thing that I want to tease before we
move off of spot is that with the things we want to do with him this year
we are rounding up a number of collaborators to help in this endeavor
that is truly exciting an old colleagues of mine and friends and people I admire
I think we can go as far to say like a lot of the people we know work in the
business of imagining the future whether it’s actually building the machines and
engineering or even just conceptually in terms of the artistic world and and what
that future means to us as society as individuals how we respond to it what we
expect from it and what we don’t expect and some of the best responses have been
introducing spot to those folks who have done nothing dedicated so much of their
career to imagining just from a theoretical or artistic standpoint you
know whether it’s the way a robot moves or the way it should look and they are
coming in contact with something that is of their imagined world yeah and that is
super cool it’s really because they don’t have to worry about the
engineering when they’re when they’re coming up with those stories right so
we’re taking a piece of it’s it’s like science fiction and the real world that
have real world have intersected in a in a really thrilling and you saw you saw
it in the video I don’t know if I mean it must have been intentional but the
way when when any of us operated our natural inclination is try to puppet it
like there its plot has has a head cell and I don’t know I mean it has a
functional purpose in terms of the way the legs can move and move around things
but we all want to kind of give it that head tilt yeah and have it like perch up
and and sit and that’s some of the most fun we’ve had so far
indeed indeed and I mean we haven’t even started to play with its kinematics um
how it moves and that’s definitely gonna be something we we delve into I can’t
wait to see more it’s been fascinating watching we’re already cutting video
number two right now yeah so that should be out and hopefully a couple yeah like
a week or two at most by time yes I actually think we now have the two
videos after that already pretty plants so we’re good – like May June even about
executing sorry I didn’t mean to clip there hey you’ve been recently I saw you
posting on Twitter or was maybe a separate conversation but you’ve been
enjoying the criterion collection um indeed a Peter Becker
his runs The Criterion channel organization criterion collection is a
friend of mine and I put a plum job that must be he’s a wonderful guy and he
loves film so much I interviewed Guillermo del Toro for him for the
criterion I don’t think it’s a plum job I think it’s a stressful as heck job
because it’s so subjective and all I’m sure nothing everything here is that why
isn’t this filming I mean I’m sure I’m sure that but then when you look at the
channel you see all the different ways he’s intersected different directors
with other directors to talk about film and to really go into the depth of how
this came to be why this is important what does it means culturally what it
means is you know plot wise from Armageddon to Zardoz probably I will say
having a samsung television it was hard to get study i Tyrion jail app on
Samsung they don’t play together right now and this is part of this weird
sequesteration who owns the standard landscape can we can we talk about this
for a sec yeah I’m going to tell you what my face was yeah if you have a
samsung TV here’s what works it it’s not enough to just sign up for the rogue who
app on the Samsung Apps you actually have to get an external Roku stick 125
bucks attach that to your Samsung TV but once you do you don’t need to use the
Roku remote your Samsung remote will operate the channel just fine which is
that as I know it’s really my CC stuff does that yeah and then I’ve been I’ve
been obsessed with it so actually I said the the knight Huxley past I wanted a
mood of a film so I watched one car wise in the mood for love which was exactly
the right thing for me at that moment in time last night when I couldn’t get
sleep because my sleep patterns are still visible through and I watched most
of Rififi the original heist film which is a French New Wave film that I don’t
know if it’s New Wave exactly but it’s like from that era ish and in the middle
is an hour-long heist with no dialogue and it’s absolutely riveting oh yeah no
it’s this is it’s you’re watching something really special and you see so
many movies have borrowed from this since then from the bank job with Jason
Statham to motion audience films I so I haven’t before we go on about criterion
I have real concerns about the apps built into TVs especially on like
low-end models that are priced at an incredibly low low price range yeah you
think it’s a way that people are gonna end their hang more for cable and all
that no they’re collecting data collecting data about what you watch
what you play what things you use your TV for and I think even I maybe we solve
an Apple TV plugged in right right like that’s that’s the thing we use cuz I
kind of trust Apple with privacy stuff yeah maybe a little bit my don’t know
but anyway don’t know if it’s justified or not yeah I don’t know if it should
hear what people think that’s why I’m bringing it up because I don’t know
anything about it I haven’t I haven’t done the research yet we were working on
the episode of tech pot about that and I would love to get feedback from people
who maybe no more then you can hit me on Twitter or comments I’ll read comments
and Criterion had to spin up their own service because previously they were
part of films truck we’ve championed that floor and unfortunately went away
and us was the response for that to to take that collection the licenses they
have to allow you to watch you know the selection of film otherwise you would
not be able to find anywhere it’s been spectacularly successful for them and oh
good yeah I’m sorry guys it’s been really really stunning and seriously if
you’re wondering whether you should sign up for criterion yeah you do it’s a
stunning film education in a channel with beautiful prints really like it’s
just great I’m it’s like I’m just cracking the the surface right now I
didn’t know it was live yet so I’m gonna go sign up as soon as I get home yeah
one film that’s gonna be on there I’m sure at some time and I don’t I’d love
to get him on the podcast at the more to talk about
yeah the curation process next time he’s here but yeah totally have them on the
podcast and and ask him when is a movie like parasite gonna hit criterion new
collection well and bong joon-ho Wow interviewed a bunch on on in different
different things on this thanks for the was exceptional really
really seem we’ve been wanting to talk about parasite for weeks and the whole
doubt has been I’m sorry we will just refer to them as suspects
w I think you’re a werewolf I have only ever been a werewolf one uh-huh that’s
what–that’s werewolf talk no but let me tell you when I was the werewolf it was
here we did a huge night of werewolf games here in the cave Ben ha and a
bunch of other folks Harper and Harper was here in those girls and my son thing
too was playing with us and he was like 19 at the time and the only time I was
aware of love he could tell I was the werewolf because he was the seer and I
somehow managed to convince people that not only was I not a werewolf but he was
not the seer and it unhinged him being so duplicitous li-like slammed by me in
competition we play one night ultimate which is basically no sleeps you just do
you get one one night of werewolf and then it’s done only they build a bunch
of extra rules a roles so that you can get all the information you need on one
pass oh my god and I will bring you a copy of that as well it is phenomenal
it’s great for people who don’t play with like five people or four people
yeah we play with my seven-year-old oh wow that is spectacular watching her
learn how to be duplicitous and detective lissa dismiss well and seven
is just about the age that kids start to be able to hold competing concepts in
their head we’ve talked about this before I played my boy when they were
seven I played them who’s on first Yeah right and watching their hungry little
brains grab these these tensions of language and enjoy them is super nobody
appreciates a terrible pun like a seven-year-old not not at Paris again no
sight but parasite I’ve been dying to talk about this film because so been a
kur friend of the channel and good friend of mine half of a kur and blacker
the writers of thrilling adventure hour among many other things hopefully human
being um one of the things I love we all know how fun it is to talk to
screenwriters about film right to hear what someone who is immersed in the
mechanics of it thinks about various things and one of
the things I love about Ben in the way he talks about it is it’s always about
character for him character character character he doesn’t give a shit about
plots if it’s not about the characters and what they’re what was actually
happening because of the characters and it took me 40 years to get to that spot
just for the record and parasite is the one of the most
interesting character films I have ever seen in terms of what you think about
the people on screen where your alliances fall how you feel about the
characters it is I have never felt so much tension and such a thrill over just
thinking what the hell is gonna happen next and yeah yes and now we’re not
gonna do heavy spoilers actually let’s not – spoilers you’re spread a little
bit in the soilless the movie undoubtedly I mean it’s not a horror
film it’s a thriller but wait wait wait just before we even get to spoilers even
talking generally about the film is a is a tiny bit of a spoiler I would
recommend that if you really are excited about seeing it maybe turn this off now
yeah because the less you know the more the role in the film is sure and I can’t
wait to watch it a second time because I’m sure it’s a wholly different
experience in theaters in in the States because of the Oscar campaign yeah so it
is a hat on a hat though which is the convention to say that you know they
take something literal and in it it is also in the metaphor so the fact that
people live there’s a class system and people literally live under people yeah
like also they live under people but and and writers in the name he already you
know and embrace that and it it’s heavy-handed enough yeah but there’s
still so many layers to pull back and you know there are cat you every time
you meet a character he plays bong joon-ho is the director who directed
okhta and snowpiercer and no sir and he plays with all of your expectations all
the time you meet a new character do you think oh I think they’re kind of like
this and then you find out oh no they’re totally the opposite of that actually
they’re also like that there are two families in the film let’s talk about
the the main protagonist so family the the main protagonist family is a husband
and a wife and their son and their their adult son and adult daughter the son is
a university student mhm and the daughter is not yeah
it’s unclear it’s unclear yeah there’s to tell you what’s unclear may I post a
lot of ambiguity so there’s no there’s there’s not even a ton to suggest that
they’re actually related these four but I I that was unclear to me for a pretty
substantial part of the film I submit that they might not be and that
the film I’d see that point I think that the the bond that they have and the
maybe the cultural need for like the you know the thought the the the parental
children relationship that is there I totally get that and but there’s a way
in which the the conventions that get played out in the film feels so
subverted that I go all the way to maybe that family ain’t a family and the other
family is a very wealthy family yeah so the Kim family is the the poor family
and then the the wealthy family is the the Parke family
and part family lives in this amazing architectural masterpiece of a house
which was a completely constructed set but really a completely constructed
outdoor set yeah because where light falls in eyelines like bong joon-ho had
diagrams in the script as he was writing about eye lines from the staircase to
the kitchen to the thing to the thing and there was they looked for a house
and very quickly realized they weren’t gonna find it and then they went to the
lot where they built the house and spent days tracking where the Sun was going
and built the orientation of the house to accommodate for the Sun based on the
plot Wow right right Wow the set of the Kim
family that entire Street is a set yeah with that I can see because of the way
they were stuff they were doing on it but yeah only Mike but it not only was
the entire street a set but apparently they were going around to like racking
yards and dumps and other places and buying chunks of the city to make this
set feel super realistic these old signs and old doors and old windows I mean we
say lived in a lot here but it’s definitely it has been lived in and then
some the idea that every space that you pretty much every space that you’re
witnessing in that film is a space completely construct
is kind of astounding well and the different locations have entirely
different like they it’s almost shot like different films right like the
basement basement set is shot in a very grungy kind of Chernobyl kind of way um
I was gonna say like a 70s like I’d like a 70s like a pal and Pak EULA film yeah
yeah yeah whereas the other the the expensive home is shot almost almost
like like the I like not like a Michael Bay film but like you know how the
island had that whole Golden Hour like the whole thing felt like it was shot in
the Golden Hour it’s a terrible Greger film yeah do you
ever Michael Bay it’s a bad film that Michael Bay it was Michael Bay Wow
but it’s like the whole thing is shot gold nuts like golden hour is all glow
and the whole house feels like you’re in a higher plane mm-hmm which I mean I
guess well there’s a precision to it from the set design to the Scimitar
curtain even the acting that’s not natural as like they are very precise
interrelations everything I imagine I don’t know it’s remind me of a David
Fincher right movie yeah and hearing about how they would go
and it’s a very thin cherien you’re right you’re completely right I just
made that word up fin cherien yeah sounds good be like a Finch or David
Fincher see also see also the Goldfinch see also Peter fish yeah god it’s so
tough to talk about it without talking about this is a big moment so it’s a
film in which these two families intersect and it is the intersection is
mostly about class mm-hmm more than it is about sexuality or romance or
friendship however those all play some role in it
but it’s really deeply about class to me that’s what I took away from it and I’m
not actually sure what the film’s stance on class is right that’s the kind of the
ambiguity that’s baked right into the entire thing you know or who who you’re
supposed to be rooting for you are at changes moment I do ever feel like I
should be rooting for anyone everyone felt like they were everyone felt every
was unsympathetic to me the film has a momentum in the first son there yeah the
Sun yeah yeah the the partisan or the Kym son ya know
the park son no-nothing Park is the rich family
so the Kim ya know I know the boy I would the birthday boy yeah he’s about
the most unsullied character in the entire I would say the 2-part kids are
the are the victims of this whole thing yeah hmm but there’s a momentum in the
first third or you know half of the film where these things are falling into
place and you watch it almost like a heist film in the planning and the
execution feels like a revel in it yep and in the same way that a heist film is
super thrilling because you just are super excited to see what’s right around
the corner this is more like a manners drama in which it has the same tension
constantly but the tension builds up to a point where it you know I’m gonna
describe a scene where they’re they’re drinking and they’re eating food and
they’re celebrating reveling in success of their their plot well they’re
bringing the venue that they’re in down to their level and that is so stressful
just a simple scene of a family eating dinner you are like on the couch and
contortions with tension I was even before the moment happens were they
could Telegraph something that’s longer than I could take so long it was like
the basement seen from inglorious basterds that’s what it’s like yeah it’s
almost that amount of push but it’s it’s you’re sitting there and you’re like man
I do not I do not want good things to happen to these people but I also kind
of don’t want that like the thing that’s bad is gonna be real bad Julia had to
tell me to stop moving cuz I was like oh and then he throws a curveball at you
yeah yeah right after that moment what a way in and then the film goes in a
complete different direction yeah and that’s only one of the ways the
film goes in a completely different before we continue on with the show I
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back to the show I think it’s time to talk about spoilers ok so if you’re at
all interested in seeing a parasite turn this off now the less you know the
better now I say that thinking that movies like The Sixth Sense and 7 and
and and and Fight Club are way better when you know what’s going on I actually
think that they’re improved by having watched them once oh of course
the second time is you so I’m done I’m really looking I’m really looking
forward to seeing parasite a second time but the like so parasite starts off like
any normal film you’re meeting somebody they’re having a conversation with
somebody else and a young guy a young man gets a job tutoring a kid that’s how
it begins and he goes so the young man is of the Kim family and he goes to
tutor the son of the park family who he’s been told is a brilliant artist who
needs some real direction and it’s clear though he’s so learned are teaching the
daughter to write reading speak English oh right I’m sorry it’s the sister
that’s teaching the brilliant kid who’s got a didi yes Jessica yes ok so yeah
he’s teaching the daughter that’s Freya yeah and he and he gets that job from
being past it from a friend right of reference a friend who wants to date the
daughter when she’s older there’s that’s though I’m being a son packing that the
way in which he their one-year-old that there’s already a plot which is that his
friend who’s a successful handsome University student who’s about to go
abroad for a year wants to eventually ask this 16 year old girl out but he’s
giving the job of tutoring her to his friend who he trusts and and he the
friend also sets the stage with the family which is the mothers in charge
but maybe not the brightest or simple I think is what he says yeah that’s what
the translation is at least but the whole time this Kim family is hustling
the folding of the pizza boxes is this whole thing in this dingy apartment that
is literally below street level where there
you know that they’re stealing Wi-Fi there’s a moment in the beginning when
he says the the the street fumigator guy is coming around and they’re like hey
the fumigator guys coming should we shut the windows and the father says no will
get free fumigation if we leave the windows open and they’re folding pizza
boxes and coughing and holding their breath and it is it’s horrifying it is
maybe some of them I was five minutes into the movie and I thought this is
some of the most efficient character building I have ever seen
a friend of mine is a screenwriter he his favorite character building sequence
is the scene in Grosse Pointe blank when John Cusack goes to his father’s grave
and empties a bottle of scotch the bottle drives away no words are spoken
you know everything you need to know and the entirety of parasite feels like that
level of character precision it’s dense in the way that Watchmen is dense yeah
so the Sun goes it starts to Turing and the mother is then talking about her
other child a younger son who is hard to control you’re right sorry
and then they see an opportunity to then bring more of the family in so now this
is where the kind of is where you realize that there’s more to this family
right yeah sister shows up the Kim’s sister shows up and pretends to be an
art therapist yeah at this point I’m thinking oh I’m watching the sting right
right I’m thinking oh this is gonna this is like a heist that’s gonna wrap around
itself and some stuffs gonna happen and it’s gonna be a loveable romp through
you know right there they’re gonna somehow please all the way in and
replace the family yeah and so so that goes on for a little while and then they
manage to get rid of this many more you know they get rid of the show first one
first yeah and then just to pull a little scam til you have the suspicion
thrown on the chauffeur so that they can install the Kim’s dad as the new
chauffeur now there’s three of the four family members working for the parks
family when they then reveal that the most difficult to replace will be the
housekeeper right who came with the house who came with the house the house
is built suppose in the film the house was built by a famous architect who
lived in it until he died Hiba court no he’d sold it sold late in
his life but he bequeathed his how keeper to the new family yes and the Kim
family is talking about hers oh man she’s there before them she’s love her
that’s her house yeah she is she seems really she seems a little flaky but
she’s tenacious like they recognize she’s a foe and I remember thinking
she’s a foe wait a minute what she seemed just like a goofy yeah and just
to be clear there’s nothing evil that happens in this film really up until the
point that the daughter gets the chauffeur sacked
that’s true yeah yeah and then you’re like oh man this you’re just seeing up
you’re seeing what looks like opportunism yeah opportunism up until
that point and then it gets malicious yeah so they get the exact yeah get the
housekeeper sack and that’s when it reaches the index of their success and
then mom comes in so that well so the they get the housekeeper sacked and the
mom comes in to replace the housekeeper now all for Kim’s are working for the
parks and the parks have no idea that they’re related that’s right well the
Sun does the Sun does this is one of my favorites brilliant so good how do you
convey this on film yeah the Sun walks over to one of the Kim’s and like sniffs
him and then goes over to another Kim and sniffs them and says to his parents
the parks they smell the same and they smell like the sister they smell like my
art tutor as well and that is another hat on a hat because not only is he
conveying that that he recognizes and he’s telegraphing that you he there they
are familiar to each other but they are all the same people they are their pours
their and work and this is when you immediately cut back to the Kemp’s back
at home realizing that they are going to all need to shower with different
products and not cross pollinate and that’s when you realize they are deeply
committed to this ruse and to taking it very very far and so very shortly after
that the the rich family if we hadn’t made this cleared the parks are super
rich thick and super part the park certainly goes on on a camping trip and
now the Kim’s are sitting in the house as if it’s theirs enjoying this big
Chinese meal sorry this big big dinner yes of takeout in the middle of the
living room making a mess making a super big man yeah and breaking bottles
stealing booze the whole thing yeah right and then the housekeeper comes
back the doorbell rings it’s the housekeeper who they’ve gotten rid of
because of her garlic allergy teaches peaches much fun they told it they’e
they put they they they framed her for having TB and the housekeeper says
recognizes them and says I’m not looking as I know what type of person you are
you are and and it’s not I’m not here for retribution I’m not here I recognize
the game that you’ve played and you’ve played it well I’m here for another
purpose I left something and I left something in the bed and literally they
go underneath the house and that’s where her into a bunker and and this is where
everything from her ringing the doorbell like already watching the Kim’s eat
dinner in this house is super stressful you’re waiting for something to happen
and those doorbell rings and it gets much worse and the doorbell rings and
it’s the housekeeper like what does housekeeper do and then she goes
downstairs and it turns out that downstairs there’s a secret door and her
husband’s been living underground in this house Fred like on the run hiding
from predators exactly yes in pitch black and this is where it gets like
very Kafka asked like he’s in Korea or something is this a thing what’s that is
he hiding from creditors in it anyway I don’t know yeah fear right survival uh
and you’ve realized not only like his character isn’t just that you know it’s
not just the plot of him needing to hide it’s that he has become this ghost in
the house where he serves a purpose he seems tough sure he serves unknowingly
to the parks like parks don’t know he’s there but he turns on their lights wait
what yeah I miss this oh yeah their lights blink all over the place see it’s
really operating the lights from underground when the the the head of the
park household comes over like we’re insane when we go deeper into this plot
you see the light come on you assume it’s just like a room sensing light and
that’s what they assumed – yeah but you realized it’s this man who’s been living
underneath the house literally turning on lights and he runs to have to
do it every time and he has become a little ghost in this house
and so watch this when I was head in slept in 30 hours watch it again we go
and Sue and that performance of that guy that guy so later on it’s revealed you
hear that the the the the young Park Sun the brilliant one who’s got a TD that
the sister is pretending to be an art therapist for you’ve heard that he had a
trauma at a birthday where he saw a ghost and you hear about this and then
it slowly dawns on you that of course the ghost must be the husband who lives
in the basement yeah and then there’s a point in the film when the camera
flashes back to what the son saw at the birthday Chili’s you’re looking at the
stairs to the basement which have already been a like a character in the
film and it’s late at night it’s the classic kids when you’re a little child
you’re scared of what’s in the basement and it’s late at night he’s going to
find some food in the fridge and this is when the husband would sneak and steal
some food they show the black they leave the the the emptiness of the cavity of
the stairwell yeah and what emerges are his eyes and the thing about this shot
is that you’ve met this guy you know he looks weird and he’s got an intense face
and his eyes are really upsetting and still that does not even though you’ve
spent time with this character this flashback you’re not prepared for how
terrifying his eyes are I know it’s like they come
above his stare it’s one of the scariest months it’s David Lynch film it’s the
man behind the man holiday yes yeah it’s exactly oh yeah that’s not even crazy
against this is literally the first part of crazy best a lot of the back half of
this movie oh dude there’s a garden so do you remember monty python where they
did the sam peckinpah garden party where everyone’s arms are severed and blood is
spraying everywhere that actually happens in this movie
there we go that’s just what look I I don’t think we can even start to go in
to the plot lines of the tale of the love the third act of this film because
it’s so interweaving and so convoluted and bizarre but people are murdered in
the open at a party and blood is spraying everywhere and there are body
counts and run sort of rain with houses sinking and it’s completely batshit and
as bad should it is the what’s important about this film is the subtext that
slowly services the the relationship between the the father of the Kym father
and the park father how those those bonds like that relationship is you see
what’s beneath the surface yeah and he reveals what’s beneath the surface and
it’s so unsettling and it’s you know it’s a face of society well and that’s
the thing so you watched you know classically you watched the movie the
fighter with with Mark Wahlberg and and Christian Bale and you realize at the
end that the fighter is Christian Bale right you realize oh the titles about a
different guy than I thought it was right well and parasite does the same
thing what who’s the parasite you start out in 20 minutes then you have one
answer 40 minutes in you have another answer at the end of the film it’s kind
of the answer is all of the above yeah and you know it’s it’s like it’s the
class system on society is the parasite on the human condition I mean that’s
literally where this film sort of gets to with the point of view the heavy rain
scene where you have you know the the parks come back from the trip cuz it’s
it’s raining and there’s no how great it is that you know it’s gonna clean you
know everything’s and come back smelling so fresh in their backyard at the same
time the Kim family is scrambling because their entire Street is flooded
and they’re being buried in this flood and this and this is the scene of the
post their escape from the ridiculous confluence of events back at the house
during the dinner in which they left the big mess and it is their descent
they literally descend from the castle on high to their basement hovel which is
under water and they’re drowning in their house oh it it is maybe the most
thrilling film I’ve seen in years I can’t I can’t recommend it
enough everything you’ve heard about it you know again I hope you haven’t
listened to all of this without having seeing it and love to hear your comments
yeah I I’m so excited that there are still so many places to
find thrills and weirdness and awesomeness in filmmaking
especially from corners that you don’t necessarily expect bong joon-ho has
always made films that subvert expectations and this is an I just can’t
wait to see what he does next that sounds like it’s good all right this
weekend the tech pod we talked about security best practices yeah cuz I got
hacked last week oh really yeah I had a nifty TT if this than that
account hooked up to my Twitter that was very old and had a bad password on it
that was apparently public that I didn’t realize was I thought it was the other
one that was hooked up and somebody was able to post stuff my turn it wasn’t bad
but I had to go back and change a lot of passwords and had to do a bunch of and
ironically we this happened the day after we recorded this episode and if I
had been following my best practices I would have been fine can I tell you at
one point a toward camp tech pod content downtown at one point in toward camp I
sat down with some security researchers to find out the level of security
difficulties in knowing what you can trust from your chip manufacturer even
though your chip manufacturer is Intel yeah that like there are that even if
you know the exact architecture of a chip you still not be may not be able to
find the the vulnerabilities within it within your supply chain where the fab
and the ways in which it turns out you remember the apple memory leak where the
the bus was talking to the buffer memory and that was where the password was
being exposed it’s like that problem exists in everything we own across the
entire world times a gazillion it’s terrifying I’m glad you’re talking about
best practices on security well so the upshot is I as a result of just hacked
the update that will go into the next time we record probably is that I’m
gonna start doing two-factor hardware mm-hmm so with like
Yubikey type that stuff for at least like a primary account that is the and
all catch-all of all the other accounts yeah so yeah it was it was an
interesting conversation and you can find even let’s do it now it’s up it
should be up now okay this is next week all right any address again tech pod
content that town thanks Adam

58 thoughts on “Spot and Parasite SPOILERCAST – Still Untitled: The Adam Savage Project – 2/4/20

  1. Having lived with AIBO for nearly 20 years (I have 19 of them) I see a future pet 😉

  2. This is a patent for nuclear fusion generator. Once the item is built the patent will be fully issued.

    I would love to make a YouTube video of this generator being animated and then edited together so people can actually see the idea of it working.

    More than a video, I would love to build this item and record every step of the process to show people it is a real idea and it really will work. And that nuclear fusion is obtainable and usable for everyone. I believe it would change how everybody deals with many issues throughout life as we know it

    Patent pending stage right now so the idea can't be stolen

  3. I despise Werewolf and similar games. Duplicitous roleplaying is basically the bane of my existence since almost everyone I know loves it, including my wife, and I can't think of anything worse to spend time on with friends. I'm co-op all the way.

  4. This,…all of this is literally the reference material of idealized optimistic scientists and engineers of the precursor to the inevitable murder war machine HAVE YOU NOT WATCHED ANY ANIME?!

  5. We pay for products, they collect data and sell that information.. companies are greedy AF !! and gives us zero privacy !!

  6. I would like to know when Alfonso Cuaron's "Children of Men" will be released by Criterion.

  7. The way Adam says he worked with Jamie back in the early 90s, makes it sound like it´s almost 30 years ago…?!!

    Hmmmm.. Damit!!!

  8. The kids are NOT university students. The son specifically falsifies university admission documents, and promises his father he will get accepted next year.

  9. In Memories of murder there's a scene where the killer jumps out of a rice field, that reminds me of this scary scene. That scene terrified me, still think about it sometimes.

  10. Im trying to be a PA on matrix 4, they're shooting mostly overnight 6p-6a in several parts of the financial district

  11. I wish I knew Korean history better, because I think Parasite is a parody on Korean history, where for example the boy's birthday party depicts the Korean war, which divided the country into North and South Korea…
    Is there anyone, who knows Korean history very well, that can confirm this?

  12. A bit shocked to find out Adam doesn't have an OLED. I'm sure that Samsung is a fine TV, but still. Norm pls.

  13. One thing to appreciate in Parasite that wasn't noted was how Bong Joon Ho used water in the film. It was really gorgeous how he uses the fact that water flows from HIGH to LOW (which was noted is how class is defined in this film) and how it affects both of the families (barely ruins a camping trip for the rich and devastates the other's home.) In fact, there is a great cut in which someone vomits into the toilet in the rich house and it cuts to a mirror shot with sewage pouring out into the poor family's house.

  14. 24:59 Will, take a page from Kevin Smith's book and just talk about what you like, no need to shit on something your listeners might like.

  15. I wish they would talk more about Parasite, i wanted to hear what they thought about the rest of the film

  16. In case you missed it (we doubt you did, but in case), here's our first Spot video:

  17. Saw Adam savage at the African American museum but me and my friends where to much of cowards to go up to him

  18. Middle guy needs to slow down! Talkin too fast! 5 words come out so fast its as if they are one giant word! Makes him seem like hes trying too hard! Guy on the left said a fraction of the words but somehow came off as having contributed more to the conversation!

  19. No wonder mr. Hyneman never liked you. You're a pussy. You just lost a subscriber, nobody gives a s*** what you think about politics.

  20. This guy built a replica of the Park house so this might interest you:

  21. Adam: were you not one of the responsables of the dock crash scene in the matrix 3? I am pretty sure that if you ask them, the Wachowski will comply.

  22. Great episode. I love Adam's enthusiasm for Parasite yet almost every one of his recollections was erroneous 😜😍 …and you guys didn't even mention the role of Morse code!

  23. Boy you guys missed a lot about this film which surprises me. The guy living under the house was even referenced earlier in the film as the owner of a food shop that goes out of business.

  24. Well, If you liked "Parasite" I can't recommend you enough the Brazilian movie "Bacurau". "Parasite" won the Grand Prize in Cannes, "Bacurau" won the Jury Award (don't know if that's the way the prize names are translated to English, but I think you understood). Amazing movies that truly deserve to be seen side by side. You will not regret it. Is probably available on demand in the US by now.

  25. I’d be very interested in seeing a video that explains the mechanics of Spot’s drive system and joints.

  26. I prefer watching you guys spoil movies than watch the movies.
    It's even better when you get to do behind the scenes stuff.
    I like that better than the actual movies or "TV" show.

  27. Hey Adam, quit attacking conservatives.. People have a right to think anyway they want. Sorry you're misguided and kiss the ass of the far left to remain relevant.

  28. I WOULD LOVE, to collaborate on spot, as from a design standpoint, it needs a head and slight redesign of the leg design.

  29. I thought that Parasite was great, but I think The Handmaiden a better film. Sad it didn't get attention in the US like Parasite has. At least other places it got some attention.

  30. Don’t sweat the spoilers. The only thing I’ll remember tomorrow is the name of the film.

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