There is No Planet B

>>Within the next decade or so we will pass a number
of tipping points beyond which it will be
difficult to recover.>>Reckless burning
of fossil fuels and the forest. How is it possible that the most
influential being that ever walked the planet
is destroying its only home?>>Since the
1970s relapsed — we lost 60%
of vertebrate species.>>One consequence of
living in great cities in great masses is we
are cut off from that natural world. If you lose that sense of
wonder, you have lost one of the most important
things in your life.>>The human race
produces more waste than it should.>>We only recycle 9% of
all plastic stop and listen has been burned,
every single piece of elastic ever made still
exists on our planet.>>The price of
biodiversity with climate change is interlocked with many
other crises we are seeing . refugees, political
crises and perhaps moral crises.>>We are stealing our
children’s future, we are still stealing it and
we must get together now.>>When I first started
I would never have an urgent — imagine it
would be this big.>>Thise consumer has to force
their hand to say they will not buy from them
unless they have a sustainability plan in the whole chain.>>We are seeing a real
increase in the number of collaborations
and partnerships, creating extraordinary
coalitions and partnerships to get us on
the right path of what science is telling us.>>Employees have a
responsibility to demand better systems from corporations. If they take a stand and
say they are going to be committed to the
environment.>>It comes down to
all leaders of all organisations recognising
far-reaching implications for how this
could truly help to have an impact
in the world.>>Never compromise. What you do today will
have an impact on the planet for thousands and
thousands of years.>>We are the
International organisation for
public-private cooperation . We have the platform
to respond to this emergency. Let’s work together.>>There has been no
species that has been remotely as ingenious
as Homo sapiens. Let us live up
to that then. We need ingenuity to
find the solution and courage to back it.>>I am delighted to
welcome you to the session. My name is Nicole
Schwab, the director for international relations
at National Geographic Society and and
welcome to — honoured to welcome Prakash Javadekar and Sadhguru . We are here for the
session on there is no Planet B being hosted in the
framework of a series of conversations that the
World Economic Forum is hosting as part
of its agenda. It has been clear
in the face of the environmental urgency we
are facing and the video has shown this clearly
that we can no longer talk about biodiversity
in isolation. The climate agenda, the
biodiversity crisis , water, air pollution, all of these must be
addressed as a whole , and it is becoming clear how the
environmental challenges are having direct consequences on the
economy and human livelihoods. In 2018 the World
Economic Forum ranked environmental risks as
among the top risks to the global economy, so
we are talking about ecosystem collapse,
biodiversity loss and extreme weather events,
and here in India, India has been facing
lots of challenges. India is one of the most
water stressed countries in the world is with
dropping water tables. We know 14 of the major
river basins are at risk of severe scarcity in the
next 20 to 30 years, there is significant
pollution of water basins, a degradation
of land, series of challenges that we see
all over the world that are being made acute in
this country that is also vulnerable to the
effects of climate change. In this context, however,
a lot of people are looking (inaudible) to
come together and start to change the course . Next year will be five
years since the first climate conference, (inaudible) the Sustainable
Development Goals to take stock of where we
are at and in October we will have all countries
coming together for (inaudible) and
in this context , India has played a
leading role ahead of the Paris Climate Talks
agreement and I would like to ask you what
is India doing on biodiversity? How can we bring the
climate and biodiversity agendas closer and what
are solutions you have seen that can serve as
a model for the rest of the world?>>Our work biodiversity
is very rich. That is our culture also
because we were a (inaudible) nature, we think of (unknown term) that takes care
of animals also , the plants , pollinate together , so that is
our lifestyle , and therefore today,
we have 24% of (inaudible) cover
in the country. Over the last few years we have
increased that by 15,000 square by 15,000 km.. That is one. We have already achieved our targets,
and more importantly , our success of
biodiversity shows in figures. We have the world’s 77% of tigers, 2977 , 3000 rhinoceroses , 550 lines , all requiring
a complete (inaudible) biodiversity (inaudible) broken and one type of (inaudible) killed our (inaudible) and the stray dogs and
many other varieties of species increased
in population , so we have
to balance it , so our whole aim is an
hour biodiversity plan, we have a national
biodiversity authority, we have documented,
found not only state committees, district
committees and now we are farming (inaudible) not aware how to
document biodiversity but now people are being
well trained and we are documenting it because
this is our treasure. We value it. The ecological value
of our biodiversity stocks are much higher. You talked about 2020. Let me tell you . India
is walking the talk. We want to create three tons of (inaudible) and
have released six (inaudible) and have
released $6 billion to all the states to more speedy forestation
in the next five years. Second is we have
already achieved a reduction in our
energy intensity by 21% . We have promised
25 to 30%. We have already achieved,
and Prime Minister May OD has declared 175 GW in Paris of renewable energy. That is 40% of our
energy mix capacity , energy capacities, so we are . Have already achieved
half of it and we will cheaper 2022 that, and increase the target
for ourselves without somebody asking us . In this UN session
climb and — climate Summit Summit , he is said we will have 450 GW of energy.>>Thank you very much. Sadhguru , you have been engaged
in a massive revitalisation effort
with rivers. Tell us more about
what prompted you to start this project, what needs it
is addressing and what lessons you have learned
in this process.>>I am definitely
not a scientist. Of course I am
not the Minister . So my engagement started very early. I was around there (inaudible) not
studding it , just enjoying the river
for what it is, just like any other worm,
insect bird or fish that lives there so I
know the river. It is not seeing it like
a water resource. I did not see it as
a water resource. In my expense, I was a
tiny, little life and their water was such
a huge laugh. People like you and
me come and go. — Life. I have been watching
with much disgrace — distress how the river
is depleting. Some say it is
depleted by 44 % but in my eyes, when I
look at the river, they are taking the monsoon
flow also insane 44% less but if you look at
it in the mid-term, that is after 4 to 5 months after monsoon, let’s say
November, if you look at the river, it is only
30% of what it was 50 years ago when I saw it. What was apparent . What was a perennial
river forever, over 5.5 months, it is not
touching the urchin. It is drying up 175 km
short of the ocean. Many ingress is
happening in the ocean, up to 60 km. Saltwater has entered the
land and people have vacated the villagers. Today when there used
to be Sweetwater in the world, today it
is saltwater. About 130 km inland, water ingress
can happen. We have 7400 km
of coastline. If 100 km comes on it
on average, one third will be lost and the
volume of migrations that will happen because
of this and the civil unrest that will come out
of it is not manageable by anybody so if we do
not put back somehow. The question is not about
increasing the river flow, the question is
about slowing the river. There is a very beautiful
saying in Tamil. They say if the river
comes walking, she is prosperity. If she is running,
it is a disaster. Right now she is
running full stop . I was camping behind
the dam in Mysore , where I grew up and I was with my group,
and I asked the local villager. The dam is full to the
brim, overflowing full stop I asked him in how
many days it got full. It was in four days. It was not good. If it rent heavily
in the catchment area , it will take 20 to
30 days to fill up, but today it is fully
up in four days, and for the first
time in 50 years, I’m seeing the reservoir
is brown in colour. Never before was
it ever brown because the rainwater came down , went to the soil in thick jungles, but for the first
time this is brown . This means the soil in
the mountains is coming to Mysore city. This is not
a small thing. In another 100 years, if you imagine what
will happen to these mountains, it is a different thing. It brings down silt . The silt level tells you what is
the level of damage , so we thought through
this whole thing , and what I saw was, if you are an
environmentalist today in this country and
probably many part of the world, gather 25
people and protest in front of an industry or stand on a street corner
and throw stones at somebody . this is not
a way of protecting the environment. The largest land use in
the world is the pharma . Why is he not
growing trees ? –far mer. YEC not growing trees ? — Wh y is he . He could be arrested or some activist
will protest . They will file police
complaints against him so you know trees
are trouble. Is not growing any trees . Without trees , there is no leafy
material and animals have gone out because of the machines and the soil is
deteriorating . United Nations
has fixed 2% of organic content
the minimum to call soil a soil . Minimum 5 to 8% should
be there to call it fertile soil,
but to become soil , it is 2%. The level of organic
content in the soil is 0.68%. In about 70% of soil it is 0.05% . That means in another
three or four years , this will become
a desert . What was fertile soil
has been converted to sand because somebody told us you can run agriculture just with fertiliser
salts . This is killing the
land completely , one of the most fertile
lands on a planet , because a handful of soil in
southern India has anywhere between 10 and
50,000 species of microbes. A handful has
more microbes than all the people on
the planet put together, but today the soil
is turning to desert simply because
we have been doing wrong types
of agriculture . Without enhancing the soil
quality, you cannot sequester water . It is coming in the
form of monsoons . In the last 100 years
in the river basin , the volume of the
monsoon has gone up by 0.58% all peninsulas and islands will
get more rain . This is natural. Reigns of increased , but our ability to hold it has gone. — rains. The soil can hold
800% more water , so the real reservoir
on the planet is soil . Without maintaining
moisture in the soil, there is no way
you can keep the land rich and the
bioactivity going , so the loss of bio diversity is there
in the forests . As the minister said, while the Tigers
are coming back , the elements are coming back — elephants — the populations
have increased . These are exotic
elephants and so they are getting
the attention . The microbial loss is very big. There has been an 82% loss in the
bee population from 1970 onwards. That was the baseline
from which the studies have happened. Of the 108 important
food crops , 90% need bees and animals
to do pollination . Without this
pollination, the level of vitamin a
present in our food crops has come down so
drastically now studies are showing wherever
it is less, blindness is growing . You could have a huge population with vision loss in this
country simply because there are not enough these . — b ees. Bringing back honey development and
colonies of bees in millions is being done
right now, the reason why we are doing it this
way is because it is an economic plan
fundamentally. We have converted nearly
70,000 farmers . We have seen the soil
improving in 3 to 4 years phenomenally, water
tables have come up and the pharma’s income has gone up — fa rmers. If we go to space
it will take 80 to 100 years , so right now we need to crush this to see that 2.42 billion trees go
into this 80,000 km. of the basin. If we do this, we will sequester anywhere between (inaudible) 60%
of the flow . The soil moisture
needs to come back , otherwise protecting
biodiversity will not happen. The largest footprint
is that of agriculture .>>Thank you for showing
the interlinkages.>>What Sadhguru is
saying is true. You have to improve
the health of soil and the micro bacterial life in water . In soil is the important
aspect of the whole biodiversity added
starts from there, and therefore what
he has initiated , we add a global level have decided
not only through trenches in forests, but
more importantly, many farm ers will not choose
a complete plot for trees. He has a choice but
he cannot lease plan trees on his bank of the river . What are your
expectations of the private sector and what
is the responsibility of business?>>It is the society
which acts , and therefore NGOs, all good organisations and others as well as the private sector
have to create from awareness to actual work in not only tree
Plantation, but in all aspects of the
environment. This year. Yesterday
I attended a wonderful program. The renewable energy ministry has created
that and created a Guinness world record . Students came together
at 10 AM , learned how to assemble a solid (inaudible) and they assembled it , and it was a wonderful,
successful program and they lit up the lamp. The joy was very much
they learned by heart, mind, hand. That is the real
training and that is why we want to encourage
all kinds of awareness programs and actual programs
where private participation is most
welcome and now we plan to have many projects out of
which they can choose as they like.>>When it comes to
protection of wildlife, we don’t have to
protect them. We just have to leave
them alone. They will manage. So there are, in every
state, there are forest departments with
substantial staff . A little tightening
of that is needed. In some states it is well
managed, in some it is a little loose. In some states it is
being exploited. It is at different
levels. I don’t know to what
extent the Minister can push this but we must
push this that these agencies are better
trained and suited to what they are doing. But one thing is
clear for me. That exploiting India’s
forests for commercial purposes must
be history. Because we have reached
a point in this country, we cannot touch our forests in
a commercial sense. Some small tribals and
others use it for their own livelihood and
stuff, that is OK. But commercial
exploitation should stop. So where do we
go for timber? This is what we are
trying to change, to make timber into an aggro
produce, it should no more be a forest product. For this the Minister
has promised us that a farmer can grow, felt and transport
his produce wherever he wants, nobody will
come in his way. This is the main
problem. For now, if I cut
my tree I have to fill in five different
forms and go to 5 different government
departments. This takes away life. Nobody wants to
plant the tree. It is too much
of a mess. About the food
crops going , they don’t
want to plant all trees definitely. We have seen, we can
send you the videos and sharing is of the farmers
how their lives have changed. But by cultivating
regular crops, with trees in between, the
crop produce has gone up manyfold. For example, one major crop in the south
is turmeric. Turmeric farmers were
doing it with the agroforestry. There crop yields
have gone up to 25 to 30 Quantocks . Not only that, that neighbours are selling turmeric but the agroforestry
farmers are selling it at 12,000 at .12,500 per
(unknown term) simply because the value
is higher because of the leaf and organic
material in the soil. It is not against regular farming. It is not against
food crops. In fact, one big problem
with India’s food crops right now is that… **Audio lost** **Audio restored** . . . . The nutritional value
has come down dramatically. If it goes up, we
must understand that the soil is the body is the rich. If the soil is poor,
this will be poor. The way we live our life
span, everything will be affected if the soil is
weak because we are soil . Most people only
understand that when you bury them. But if we understand that
now, we can fix it. We need leaves from
the trees and animal waste. Without those things,
we cannot do it. About the involvement of
businesses, about the involvement of public and the government,
when it comes to agriculture, because
agriculture covers the largest area
of land, both in this country and largely
in the world. In this country, nearly
83 to 84% of the land is covered by agriculture. Nearly 84 to 86% of
the water is used by agriculture. India is one country
which is using its groundwater to
the limit. To the limit means Tamil
Nadu, where it is a very rich agricultural land,
in some months the pumps run only for 5 to 7
minutes at a time. That means we really
scrape the bottom. The wealth run only for 5 to 7
minutes at a time. That means we really
scrape the bottom. The, taking into this
last drop in the summer months is happening. Mainly because the
water just runs. Without sufficient (inaudible), one thing
that is happening that is being ignored, there a tree is like
a fountain. It is taking water in
and throwing it out. Nearly 60% of the
water that goes in the atmosphere is
happening, from the land. What goes into the
atmosphere is because of transpiration. Trees are throwing out
this much water. 1 acre of trees can
throughout about 20,000 L of water in a day. I’m repeating that. 20,000 L of water
in a day. That is the amount of
water it is throwing into the atmosphere. So it is changing the
climate, the way we wanted. We are changing the
climate the way we don’t want it, they are
changing the climate the way we want it because
if you want to control solar radiation, there
is nothing like a tree. If you don’t understand
what I’m saying, stand in the sun for one hour
to then work under a tree. You know what
I’m saying. There’s nothing
like a tree. Bringing these
things back, we have thought this is
against agriculture, it is not so. Today we have 69,764o0
farmers converted to agriculture in the last several years whose
incomes have gone up phenomenally. The nutritional value
of the land has come up. The most amazing thing
is, I always believed that if you want to bring
up the water table, you must do . But the amazing thing
that I’m finding is that somebody does just 2 to 3 acres of
agroforestry and the water table comes up. This is the miracle
of the planet. If you nurture it a
little bit it bounces right back at us. This needs to be done
now, not tomorrow. Because in my experience
of life, as I said I’m not a scientist, but I observed the earth
because I live on this planet and I pay
attention to it . Because of this, what I see is if we take the
right kind of action now , if you put back substantial amounts of
vegetation which does not mean just trees,
there are various other kinds of vegetation, in
the next 10 to 15 years time we will turn this around
within 20 to 25 years in a big way. In a big way. I am talking about how I
saw (inaudible) 50 years ago. This can be done. But with if we leave it 50 years,
and if we do not do anything for 25 years and
then try, in my opinion it would take 150 years to turn
it around. For various reasons, I
don’t want to go into the details, but for a
variety of reasons it would take that much time
to turn it back if we do not do anything in
the next 25 years. Our window is anything
between 20 to 25 years. We must act, this means
this is a generational work. It is not my work,
somebody else’s work, a generational work. I would to be responsible
generation or not Are we going to be a
responsible generation or not?>>For us to be able to
turn it around, what are some of the policies
and regulations the government can put in
place to push to accelerate this change
and to push more investment into nature
conservation and some of the efforts that Sadhguru
has outlined?>>Absolutely, we have not
only set up the policy with the program and
the cleaning, we have already planned and
started planting trees. Because we believe
in this philosophy. More importantly, in each aspect in the forest, in wildlife, and emissions , in renewable energy, , in all aspects, we are making
sustainable development policies , making rules after discussing with
all stakeholders and creating the
world because we believe, and that is Gandhi she J i’s teaching. We used to say
Earth can take care of everybody’s need but not of everybody’s
greed. We want to create
a sustainable path for development. Today, just before
coming to you , a minister
had come to me and we discussed
many things. Somebody said among
the delegation that ” We all have responsibility ” and said, yes, we
do but we have not are not responsible for
the climate change that has happened. Because that was
not our lifestyle. But still we want to be
part of the solution. And that is what we are,
and therefore we believe in dialogue. We believe in stakeholder
considerations and learn from every
country, learn from every
experiment that is happening around. And to make a public
friendly policy with public participation .>>If I can say something,
about the business participating, for
example, I’m just suggesting, they can
consider it according to their willingness. In Karnataka, there are 52 counties. What we are looking at
right now is to convert 500 farmers in each
county because if you do this, once other people
see the economic benefit, after it is
unstoppable. Not only there, across
the country, in the tropical world it will be
unstoppable because we have to demonstrate the
economic benefit. In every county we want 500
farmers to convert. Within 3 to 4 years the
benefits will be visible and after that it
will go by itself. The industry can
take this up. If 53 industries take up
one county, we are only talking about 500
farmers, government gives the subsidy. We are facilitating
it on the ground. The industry or the
business can participate in accelerating the
process by putting a little bit of lubricant
and aiming for 500 farmers, aiming for full thousand four at 2000
farmers so the demonstration
is stronger. In Connecticut , the Connecticut Karnataka there are 52 counties, in Tamil Nadu there are 67. If each business takes up
one county, there is hardly any expense. It is not a big money. A bit of money, and
the problem is this. When we work with the
government they are willing to do everything
but at the moment when action is needed, we will
get trapped in the bureaucratic process. So if industry or private
business was there, who will respond to the
situation quickly, it will be a big boost. They can do this.>>I would like to open
the floor for questions. Please state your name
and formulate your question as briefly
as possible. Anybody? Yes.>>I work with an NGO . . As an organisation which
works on natural resource management and
sustainable farming, with a million families, what you said as
gospel for us. Textbook. We try to follow the
kind of principles you have just said. Having said that I would
like to have the view of the panel, both Mr
Minister and Sadhguru, and two topics of
contemporary times here in India. The first topic I almost know
your answer Sadhguru because
from what you said. It is about capturing
moisture in a million small plots versus capturing in
one big dam. What is your view on the
whole discussion about the big dams and the
controversies around the big dams? The second is about the
big discussion about interlinking of rivers. He said it is different
river systems, so advice to link the rivers
across the country? These two topics are
discussed far and wide. But what is your
view on this? Both the panellists.>>Shall I speak?>>Interlinking Rivers
is a voluntary program . It can be within
the state . Even our regime changed. (inaudible) there is a very
strongly proven case, so it
is voluntary. Once I was discussing
with my one very good expert, and he told me
one simple sentence. “Small rivers will have
a small dam; big rivers will have a big dam.” So
I’m not against dams or the status of
dams but are many things to be done . 60 years ago , now we are 130 kW. But we don’t refer to (inaudible) because dam levels have
played a very important role in irrigation.>>We built dams at a
time when India was facing major famines, where a famine means it
did not take people in thousands; it took
them in millions, so the 1943 , 44 famine took nearly
3.5 million people in three or four months, so even postindependence, still 1962 , we had famines which took hundreds of thousands
of people , so we build big dams , mainly inspired by
the United States because they
have brought in the idea of huge dams . Europe did not bring — build big dams . It was an emergency
measure to save the people
of this country . Many of us are alive because of the
dams and our population has multiplied because
of the dams. That is also there. But now the idea of
building a big dam has gone in the world. The United States has
decommissioned over 900 dams and in India,
wherever we can build a dam, we have largely
done it . Building dams in the planes would
not be right, so I don’t think the
government or anybody is thinking of big dams
except a few mountains streams they are trying
to harness for hydroelectricity and
stuff, but otherwise there is no possibility
of big dams. Do we want to break
the big dams? No. We have invested and
lifestyles have formed around this. We cannot turn
this around. One thing happening in
the dams, particularly in the Himalayan region,
because the silt is so heavy. From the
age of 19, myself, for 27 years I tripped in the Himalayas . I saw the dam, coming up , and I met (unknown term) and could not meet an
unmet admit his wife . At one time I considered joining full-time. I saw a disaster
building . But now that it has
built and there is a huge volume of
stagnant water, the Himalayas being
a very sedimentary kind of mountain, the volume of
silt coming , I would say the life of
the dam is just another 25 to 40 years. After that it
will totally silt ridden and unusable
and you cannot dredge it, that volume, so the dams will
become irrelevant if you build in
certain areas , but there are
certain dams that have transformed
the whole area into an agricultural belt,
so you cannot talk about this
as one simple thing for or against . When it comes
to river linking , all kinds of people .
film stars, anybody who wants to become popular
in this country . you will bring
water to check my , this is happening , this is irresponsible — C henna i. The level of evaporation
when the temperature is 35, and it is a thirsty land . the amount of water it
is drinking up is not right. If cities need
water it must be transported through
pipelines, which must be serviced. Agriculture wise, we need to understand we
are in the mindset of subsistence farming. Around where we live we
want to grow everything . paddies, wheat,
vegetables, everything. This is a subsistence
mindset . Where there is water, you can grow
thirsty crops. Where there is no water , you can grow other crops. (inaudible) transporting food
is much easier than transporting water. There was a time when there was no progressive and proactive state
when it came to rivers. One thing they
did was they made micro irrigation
compulsory for sugarcane . 1 ha of micro irrigation
can save up to 12 trillion . 12 million L of water per year . This is what
needs to happen . we need to transform
agriculture . Without transforming
agriculture , which consumes nearly
83%, 84% of water in the country, you try to talk
about various other things, you use less
water when brushing your teeth, I don’t know what
other problems you will have. This may help the local
city waterworks, whatever pump is there
in the city, it may help, bring down the
load . yes, it is of civic sense , but not of ecological
significance . We must see where
is the maximum usage . The maximum usage of
land and water is in agriculture and that
is what we need to transform, but you don’t
get marks or funding if you are an NGO and
want to transform agriculture. You have two hit some industry . This business is the
main source of all the trouble. Right now water , whole lots of people
are invested in that . The farmer’s income
can be changed dramatically when we do and grow forestry — ag ro. People are invested in poverty . To convert people , you need poverty , so people want the
farmer to be poorer . There are afraid that if the farmer’s fortunes change they will be
out of business . — They>>We have time
for one last , brief question.>>Good evening. I have seen the dynamic
leadership over many years. I am from Mumbai but I’m married
someone from Nepal . Seeing the pain of both
countries, the way you have shown your
leadership in India and move the governments and
industries to make a change, I would actually ask how can we build
cross-border cooperation between India, Nepal and Bangladesh so the
issues of flooding across the border are
resolved and more steps can be taken by both
governments and industries on both sides
of the border to reduce the burden of disasters.>>The problems are not
of the same nature. The problems of Nepal and
India are not of the same nature. No Paul — Nepal is
largely mountainous country and water coming
from glacial melt. It creates an enormous
amount of water . Rain is very copious in
the mountains up there . Nearly 40% of the water is from
Nepal and Tibet , so the water coming
down there , people are trying
to build dams there , which may solve
immediate problems but create major
problems over 25 to 50 years time. You should not bring too
many big dams in the pool and they want
to build now. These things . you
cannot stop them . but people here also think
too much flooding is happening and we must
build dams in Nepal. We must understand this
. the entire development of civilisation happened
because of these floodplains. It brought such alluvial soil you could
grow anything you wanted . All that stuff. That is mainly because of
the alluvial soil that came down from
the mountains. But now we have a whole
population living in the floodplains and we think
flood is a disaster. Flooding is not
a disaster. It is a good thing,
bringing wealth into the nation, but we don’t
know how to receive this wealth. We are getting
buried under the wealth. This is the problem. The elephant in the
room is population . Nobody wants
to address it. But we must address it. We are instituting an award for all young
women who have consciously chose not to
have children in their life. We are instituting an
award because this is what needs to happen. Human being means we do
everything consciously. Than a poorly husband
and the Indian one by goal need not
produce a mix. — Mu mbai girl. You will live happily . I’m not saying
you must not have , but it is not
compulsory. It must be a conscious
choice if somebody wishes to . Otherwise they should
stay away from it because . Everybody is talking
about controlling human aspiration. Believe me, you are
not the first one , right from border ‘s time you have been telling people how to not be
consumerist . B ud dh a. It has not worked. You start talking about
giving up desires. I know it will not work. You cannot reduce
human aspiration. But if we have sense, we can reduce human
population. The UN is predicting by 2050 we will be 29.8 billion people. I don’t want to live
on this planet. It is a shame that
we are thinking of a planet B. What does it mean if we messed up planet a ? It is a shameful thing
that we should think of a planet B. If there is a planet B,
we should never step on it because what we have
done to planet A. So reducing human
population should become a major focus of world leadership. It is very, very
important. So one reason India’s
population has multiplied the way it
has is not necessarily because of (unknown term). In 1947, the average life
expectancy of an Indian was 28 years. Today it is 71 which is
a phenomenal achievement. As our lifespan
increases, what this means is we are
postponing death. If you are postponing
death, should you not postpone birth? I’m not talking
any philosophy. I’m talking simple
arithmetic.s.>>Would you like to
comment on the question about transport
or corporation? The question that she
asked about transport. I’m going backwards now.>>It is very right
that every country’s topography and climatic
conditions and everything is different so it needs
different solutions, and we are working on it
with the respective countries but we can actually
collaborate with each other so both countries
don’t suffer . With flags, we are
seeing how not to manage floods.>>We have time
for one very brief question. Anybody?>>My question is do you,
Honourable Minister. India is home to 1/7 of the world’s
humanity and yet has about approximately 2.5% of the land
most of the world and therefore our challenges
of coexisting with nature are
monumental, of course. The impact of any
population program also will generate a couple
of decades later so therefore we do have
immediate challenges in the next two or three
decades to really create solutions where man and
nature can coexist and live some symbiotically. There are many models
that have happened in India in this regard. Could you throw some
light on some of those solutions that India has
already experimented with? About man and nature
living in partnership together.>>Yes, as I told
you, Indian culture is to be with nature
and to worship nature. What stopped it was
the laws which we made that cutting a tree and
transporting a tree becomes the big .. . We are done away with. Because unless you
create an opportunity for farmers to grow and cut and
transport and sell, why will he grow
in the first place? That is what happened
with Sandalwood. Sandalwood is India’s
own species. (unknown term) took from
us and now we are importing from Australia . This is what we
were discussing. About the bamboo
plantation . There were many
restrictions which we are seeing because of not growing
sustainably. I must comment , what Sadhguru just said
is very right, we must think of bigger
issues as well. If I say something
now on the issue , (inaudible). So I say that these are bigger issues which need to
be discussed in various forums so
the public voice grows in one direction .>>As a concluding remark,
we are coming to the end of our time. I would like to ask each
of you for your final reflections and may be
thinking about a year from now, if we come back
here, and we are really looking at, have we
accelerated our path on this transition. What would you like to
see a year from now?>>Acceleration is
definitely needed. But when we see
exploration, we must talk in terms
of acceleration of inputs , not results. This is the thing
I realised when we did the rally
for rivers. We did campaign were 162
million people participated. But many people
thought if they give a mystical, the river
will come up. To make them understand it will take 10 or 12 15 years before we see
results, and we need that level of commitment to make this happen,
otherwise that will not work. So this is an important
thing that we need to put across. After one year, what
would you like to see? Where would you like to
see more intensified efforts? But we should not expect
results in one year’s time because that
is not the way we fix the environment. If you want engineering
solutions, you can have it in a year. But engineering
solutions or are not real solutions. We need ecological
solutions. They take time. As we took time to
destroy it, we take time to put it back.>>I will just say that
what Sadhguru just said is absolutely right. It is not one year or 50
days or 100 days, it is more years and
generations together and to work in the
direction. And that direction
we have finalised, it takes more speed
in that direction. That is what we can
achieve in one year.>>I have to say, this is not to praise
the Minister, but in the last 2.5 to 3 years, many
small policy changes have happened which is
directing, which is pointing towards
ecological solutions. These need to
be activated. Policy changes have
happened, now we need to push it into action. This needs to happen
in the next one year. If we put it into action,
the policy changes that have been affected in the
parliament, we need to push it.>>I would like to thank
our panel, not just for the solutions that they
have provided but particularly for their
commitment towards an ecologically ecological
solution. Thank you very much.>>Thank you.

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